[diabloo]

In Bangalore, the cities buses were red in color. To change the image of buses among the public, all the buses were painted blue.

But in Delhi, the blue hasn't had much effect on the image of these buses

Originally Posted by kjdesigns_2000

I hate bluelines. They overspeed, stop where ever they feel like, overtake another stationary bus on the bus stop itself, have tampered speed limiters, drivers and conductors are illiterate and uncivilized, are always overloaded, and look ugly

[streetlife]

Originally Posted by Eddy

These are one-off incidents that you mention where the two wheeler was at fault. But generalizing it is incorrect.

Out of 98 incidents of fatal 73 involve 2 wheelers.. and most of them came under the left front or rear wheels i.e wrong side. Let the facts and figures speak..

I have travelled in bus sitting next to drivers. Bikers dont respect the lanes cut in front of buses that also in bus lane from wrong side just to make a quick pass..

And its not one biker that the driver has to manage. In peak traffic its almost a chain of bikers cutting from left and right of the bus..

Next comes the Bicycles and Rikshawalas. They think that they've got the most powerful rides, take wrong turns cuts in front of each and every vehicle. And every finished tip of a bus is like winning a battle on delhi roads.

DTC has contributed almost 60 fatals even as ther ratio of buses on road is less but nobody speaks of that..

One should observe how the drivers mannage to take the buses from Sagarpur to Mayapuri road to see what exactly i am tryin to say..

Road condition should be blamed for most of the accidents and the bus drivers must be given proper training before taking the wheel. Sadly the authorities are doing almost nothing for that.

Bluelines are the victim of the MEDIA...

[hillram]

I think mobile talking while driving needs a capital punishment as this is the root cause for all accidents.One can easily have a handfree installed in the ear and take the call if its absolutely necessary..or pull the car/bike to left and speak on a halt...

[bblost]

Originally Posted by hillram

I think mobile talking while driving needs a capital punishment as this is the root cause for all accidents.One can easily have a handfree installed in the ear and take the call if its absolutely necessary..or pull the car/bike to left and speak on a halt...

as per the law, the mobile must be OFF.

Its not difficult to follow, I do it in my way.
when riding, I use a bungee net to secure my laptop bag to the rear seat of my bike. Mobile is in the bag and as is allways the case with it, set to silent.

When driving, the laptop bag is in the rear seat, and the mobile is in the bag and as is allways the case with it, set to silent.

mobile phones are very very helpfull things.
but dont you think YOUR TIME is more important.

Enjoy the ride. Enjoy LIFE.

[DriverR]

One quick thought. Everywhere in India there are two-wheelers who drive dangerously. It is not only in Delhi! The question therefore is why are Bluelines being looked at as being dangerous. In every city bus drivers have to contend with crazy two-wheelers, cars, pedestrains, etc. But not much news comparitively is heard of deaths caused by those buses. And I having grown up in Kolkata, I know that the private buses there too drive fast and compete against each other for passengers! So why Bluelines?

Possible reason 1. Media focus (More focus on deaths by Bluelines, even though other private buses in other cites too cause similar havoc)

Possible reason 2. Driver fault (Whatever the contributing reason may be - long hours, lack of skill, attitude, etc)

Possible reason 3. Vehicle fault (Vehicle not maitained well)

I feel the reason for the Blueline terror has to be with one or more of the above possibilities.

[dadu]

generalizing is incorrect but has anyone made an effort to find why they behave like this ???

- Owners have permits from Delhi Govt
- Some permits are based on no of trips on the route and others on K.M. scheme
- Under both these schemes the more you run the more you make money
- Owners want to mae money, who doesnt ??
- Drivers also have an incentive scheme.
- In this whole scenario, the driver looses the most, if he doesnt make the n number of trips, he gets a flak from his owner/risk loosing his job, if he does he risks accidents and overspeeding.

Imagine yourself in this situation with your boss pushing you to do something !!!!

Question: How does DTC, the state owned transport has less accident rate ??

Answer: Their drivers/supervisors dont have any such incentives if they make more trips, are not pushed by anyone and have no fear of loss of jobs.

Originally Posted by Eddy

But generalizing it is incorrect.

The blue lines are hated because they drive overspeed, do not follow lane driving, race each other on the roads and generally break traffic laws which lead to fatal accidents. And therefore, I dont sympathise with them.

[streetlife]

Originally Posted by dadu

Question: How does DTC, the state owned transport has less accident rate ??

Answer: Their drivers/supervisors dont have any such incentives if they make more trips, are not pushed by anyone and have no fear of loss of jobs.

Not only this buddy the DTC bus ratio is lower than bluelines.. There are about 4000 bluelines compared to about 2800 of DTC. Still there are about 60 fatal accidents by DTC.

Every year more than 2000 lives are lost on delhi roads and media just talks about the 100 blueline deaths.. What about the rest 1900 and more..?

[bblost]

Its a question of recall.
All of us scream about bad cab drivers and educated bad drivers.

BUt our screams on cab drivers is filled with malice and a lot more hatred.
While we may feel sad at the stupid educated car driver, we feel raw hostilty towards the cab drivers.

Why?

maybe because we see so many cab drivers, all in the same white indicabs, each car looking the same, a copy of a copy of a copy.
we begin to feel that every white indicab is a problem on the road.

In the case of the others, we dont see the sameness effect. Its always a different car that cut us off.

Also about bluelines, if we had a private corporations then it would make sense. From what I gather each and every single bus is independently owned. If we had like multiple service providers with more than 100 busses each, then some sort of order could be restored.

People would avoid busses from company A and prefer company B because its safer.

[Aditya]

I don't know if Bluelines overspeed or not since I don't stay in Delhi. What I can say is, if you're following any vehicle, you have to maintain a distance good enough for you to stop safely even if the guy in front does anything silly. If you can't, you're the one at fault. If you're driving a heavy vehicle, you have to be even more careful since the stopping distance is more.
Car with good brakes eg. Cedia - leave good space
Car with poor brakes eg. Amby - leave more space
Bus, Truck, etc - leave a lot more space

[madan80]

well, even government bus drivers have their KRA's. They have their targets and they are expected to meet them. a while back, the paper carried an article about MTC drivers in Chennai, and they were complaining that the number of times they have to run the route has not changed, even thought the time required to run the route has changed a lot.

[diabloo]

The joint-bus of BMTC require minimum 5ft distance. This request if return on back of the bus. Still I have seen many cars having gone into the bus.

Originally Posted by Aditya

Bus, Truck, etc - leave a lot more space

[rider60]

Originally Posted by speedzak

That's a true point!

But as told LLLLLLL....., The road manners by some bikers are very bad. Some car(er)s are also not behind when it comes to this.

i definitely would agree with this for there was an incident that went like this.

i was in a lane that has a T-junction, i was going on the straight road riding my bike at around 20-25kmph and honked just before the T-junction and all of a sudden a santro rushes out of the lane with out warning or signal, and i could have just crashed into the vehicle's rear, but managed to brake and ended doing a stoppie! with skidding sound! ,luckily i dint suffer a fall. my heart beat increased and i could feel it!

i caught up with the car and confronted the driver, in my case it was a female with two kids in the car, one around 2 years and the other was 4 or 5yrs! i stopped her and asked? " aap ise rash chalarahe ho meri takker ho jata tha abhi aapke gadi se, aur meri brakes ke awazz sun kar bhi app ruke tak nahi, what the hell!" and makes a sympathetic face and says "haan kya kare bachche sata rahein hain" BLOODY HELL I WAS DUMB STRUCK FOR A SECOND, and said if was injured or if my bike had suffered any damages i would book a case(as there was nothing abnormal with the bike at that moment, i mean the disk), told her this is not the way to drive and if she could not manage proper driving then she better quit! noted the vehicle number and left!(while noting the number i could see a little fear on her face)

IMO the female drivers who cant ride/drive with full confidence should not drive at all! i say this because many of they seldom drive and just dont understand the traffic/roads they confront!