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Old 26th June 2020, 23:15   #1
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Default Which pre-worshipped 7-seater Automatic SUV for Rs 20 lakhs?

The title has been made very detailed and as mentioned I need suggestions on alternative options for 7 seater SUV.
Pre worshipped ones are preferred as IMO it's VFM, widens your options and if you are lucky you might get a very good deal.

The search criteria area is narrowed down by looking only AT options, 4x4 is not a must. Further when long term ownership costs, spare availability are considered, there is only one obvious choice, Toyota Fortuner.
Would like to seek more options based on the above criteria, personal experience shared will be great help.
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Old 27th June 2020, 07:29   #2
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Hi. Let me have the pleasure of having the first comment on your thread. Yippeee!

I was also on the lookout for similar vehicles with similar requirements as yourself but that was before the lockdown. May be I can give you a few rolling points. From the experience I have gathered in the last two years.

The thread title and the obvious choice has been very clearly mentioned. I believe that somewhere in your mind you have already decided on the fortuner. Good fortuners 2017/2018 models run less than 50k kms can be had for around 23 lacs. I think this should be the de facto choice.

You can also have a look at pre owned endeavours and can very well land up with the mighty 3.2 version. I am not sure regarding prices but should be less than Toyota. But and it is a big but- the overall ownership and maintenance may not be as well as the Toyota. That depends on how the Ford service is in your area. Speaking on a personal note- between the endeavour and fortuner I would personally pick up the fortuner. Built to last, tough as nails. Cheap service. Hardly any maintenance. The tyres may be your only purchase.

A third contender would be the isuzu mux but it is old, dated and would be hard to find.

Fourth - the Pajero supersport. In the same league as Toyota but you never know when the company might pack up its bags. Great car let down by uncertainty of the future.

However if I may widen your spectrum, since 4*4 is not on your criteria, you can have a look at the Innova Crysta too. The advantages-
One- you get to have a brand new vehicle.
Two- its a Toyota.
Three- performance wise it is not much different from the fortuner. You will have enough power and torque.
Four- space wise, comfort wise, interior wise, the crysta is better than the fortuner. Not only it rides better but offers more cabin space. The interior quality is same for both.
Five- you have to climb aboard a fortuner while you simply walk in to the crysta.

Of course the fortuner has more snob value and butch looks. If you want a vehicle for looks then it is the fortuner else on a practical note I found the Innova right up in the same league.

Another option is for you have a look at the xuv 500. Not only will you be able to get a new one but if you are willing to wait for some time, there is a new model supposed to be launched which is supposed to be better. Since it will be based on the korando- moreover Mahindra is progressing leaps and bounds. Have a look at the quality of the Marazzo or even the Alturas. They are a world apart. The xuv s engine is a gem. It has to be driven to be believed. I find it to be the best in terms of driving experience within the segment. Again a personal choice.

The Tata Harrier is also a great contender. Ravishing looks and Land Rover pedigree. Great looks. Good features. Better ride than the present xuv. But again it is the service. Out of Harrier and Xuv, I will pick the Xuv for its better engine and also that there is a new better model in the pipeline.

Will not recommend marazzo- underpowered.

Personally again I don't like pre owned vehicles. Why would someone sell a perfect vehicle two or three years down the line. I somehow always find that fishy. Also since I am based up north and despite the fact that the pre owned market is flooded with any/all cars one can think of, I still cannot make myself think of spending so much on a pre owned vehicle. However if your source is trustworthy and knowledgeable then you can get a good deal out of it. For me- I just love the smell of a new car.

Seeking many opinions while helps you get a clear insight, sometimes it can also leave you confused.
So go around and have a look. It is always fun shopping.

Lastly I would like to quote what GTO said In Another thread. It would help you make a choice. Attaching a screen shot.
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So have fun deciding and will look forward to what you choose.
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The search criteria area is narrowed down by looking only AT options, 4x4 is not a must
1. Look at an XUV500 AT; the best bang for your buck

2.The 2017 Fortuner 4x2 AT might be yours for a ball park 25L.

3. If you're not obsessed with the word "SUV", a Crysta Z AT is a very good option.

Do not get tempted with the 2015-16 Fortuner as they have a very poor second and third row seating and very very weak brakes.

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there is only one obvious choice, Toyota Fortuner.
It seems that you've already set your sights on the Fortuner. While there's nothing wrong with that, a well maintained new generation vehicle will overshoot your 20L budget.

Since you also mentioned that 4x4 is not a must, I'd suggest the Innova Crysta. My friend has a 2.8 Z AT and that engine delivers some serious punch.

In terms of driving feel, Innova Crysta falls more in the SUV territory (than a typical MUV) with high seats, feelsome steering wheel and that characteristic body roll. But that's where the similarities end. The car sits close to the ground, with low front overhang and long wheelbase, which means one has to be careful with steep approach and breakover angles.

Although the 2.8 diesel is now discontinued on the Crysta, I'd still say a brand new car should be your top choice. Toyota cars don't depreciate enough to call them a VFM pick in the used car market. You'll easily recover most of that additional premium you pay for a new car at the time of resale.

If your annual running is less than 15k kms, you can also look at the 2.7 petrol engine. A brand new petrol automatic Crysta shall fit in your budget and fetch you respectable value 7-8 years down the line (when petrol vehicles will be given preference over diesels).

Sharing the link to an exhaustive review of 2.7 AT: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...7l-petrol.html (Review: Toyota Innova Crysta 2.7L Petrol AT)
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Can't go wrong with a Fortuner, but I do have additional thoughts:

- An Innova 2.8L AT might be better suited to your purpose as you don't need a 4x4. Reasons = Easier ingress & egress (it's lower), far superior ride quality and lakhs cheaper. The Innova 2.8L AT has blurred the lines between MPV & SUV. It's fast, has nice interiors and will out-handle a Fortuner.

- Would strongly recommend a future classic - the Ford Endeavour 3.2L AT. Softer ride comfort than the Fortuner is a big bonus, as is the sweet diesel engine & features. Link to an example with just 32,000 km.

Keeping in mind these points, the Fortuner would actually be my last choice of the three cars.
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Have you TD the Fortuner or Endeavour over long distances with your family? Since your title suggests that 7 seats is the main criterion, then it follows that ride quality is of utmost importance. And both these cars are butch SUVs but offer extremely poor ride quality. While you may enjoy driving one, enjoying the SUV stance, road presence etc, your co-passengers would be experiencing a terrible bumpy ride.

If the need is for 7 seats, then I would suggest looking at MPVs rather than SUVs.
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You only need 7 seats and not a 4*4 so no point considering the Fortuner since you would be lugging around that extra weight for no reason. The depreciation on the T badge is ridiculously low. If you must have a Toyota go for the Innova 2.8 AT. If you can broaden your horizon then look at the Hexa XTA. You will save atleast 4-5 lakhs easily for a significantly lesser run car in comparison. Plus the interiors, features and ride quality are as good if not better than the Innova. The savings should help account for any unforeseen expenses as well and can even go towards fuel costs.
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A used 2nd gen Santa-Fe is a good buy and save you money too.
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And both these cars are butch SUVs but offer extremely poor ride quality.
The current-gen Endeavour has good ride quality, including on the highway. You are talking about the old last-gen Endeavour which had poor ride quality.

Agreed with the Fortuner. It is quite bumpy.
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I am surprised that Hexa hasn't been added to the discussion. Hexa has arguably the best ride quality and a great gearbox.

Test drive one, will be time worth spending. You may get a brand new car for the budget of a used car.
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If you can stretch your budget to about 25 lakhs than Endeavour 3.2 will be my first choice. It is comparable and even beats Fortuner in almost all important aspects. Even if you go through used car ads its resale is also pretty good , even comparable to Fortuner in north India. Service cost is even cheaper than Fortuner. The cost of accidental parts is comparable to Fortuner. My friends Fortuner door side mirror got broken and it costed a hefty amount. The only drawback of Endy is that it is not a true 7 seater.

If you want true value for your money and the vehicle that meets all your parameters of automatic, good ride quality and 7 seats than the only vehicle that gives maximum bang for your buck is Pajero Sport . It has timeless design, butch looking, more snob value than Fortuner ,being less seen, good ride quality and handling and better last row than Endy or Fortuner. Secondly it is as reliable as Fortuner with better pickup and fuel efficiency. Biggest drawback is service network but you being based in Bombay should have easy asses to various parts and FNGs.You can even get a 2018 model within your budget and save a few lakhs.

So first choice with money and 7 seats no consideration Endeavour 3.2 and second meeting all your parameters and within your budget, Pajero Sport. Innova is a default choice if you are comfortable with Van looks.
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Honestly speaking don't really see the point in spending 20 on a pre-owned SUV.

Either put the 20 down as down-payment, and the remaining as EMIs, which will be a trifle anyway, or save yourself some money and get a new XUV 500.
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1. Look at an XUV500 AT; the best bang for your buck

2.The 2017 Fortuner 4x2 AT might be yours for a ball park 25L.

3. If you're not obsessed with the word "SUV", a Crysta Z AT is a very good option.

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Since your title suggests that 7 seats is the main criterion, then it follows that ride quality is of utmost importance. And both these cars are butch SUVs but offer extremely poor ride quality.
If the need is for 7 seats, then I would suggest looking at MPVs rather than SUVs.
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If you can broaden your horizon then look at the Hexa XTA. You will save atleast 4-5 lakhs easily for a significantly lesser run car in comparison. Plus the interiors, features and ride quality are as good if not better than the Innova. The savings should help account for any unforeseen expenses as well and can even go towards fuel costs.
Precise!
I'd just like to summarise,
1. better buy a new one instead of going for the used ones. (They won't be VFM enough.)
2. XUV 500 and Hexa do fit your bill and are pretty capable rides.
3. If you are open for 7 seaters with not being SUV, excellent suggestions above to go for innova crysta.

Another thing I'd like to add is, the only true 7 seater out there, which is equally comfortable for all the occupants is Kia Carnival. It doesn't exactly fill your need of it being SUV or could be bought in 20L (not sure if there are any good ones available in used market) but if comfort for all 7 occupants is the priority, Carnival outshines.

Thoughts fellow BHPians?
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Another thing I'd like to add is, the only true 7 seater out there, which is equally comfortable for all the occupants is Kia Carnival. It doesn't exactly fill your need of it being SUV or could be bought in 20L (not sure if there are any good ones available in used market) but if comfort for all 7 occupants is the priority, Carnival outshines.

Thoughts fellow BHPians?
In my view, the Carnival is not a car. It is a van that should be used either for specialist roles like chauffeur driven company vehicle or hotel fleets or someone who doesnt need to do much urban commuting for the family. For the average Indian driver, it is an extremely impractical vehicle to be taken even outdoors, like small towns/ villages/ hill stations where roads are usually narrow and rough. The Innova size levels are just about maximum that can be handled without braking into a sweat over parking, reversing, cornering etc.
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