One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders

vikram_d · 2nd January 2012, 12:31

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Originally Posted by VeyronSuperSprt

There are certain situations that will lead to there being no compression on all your cylinders. They are:
1. If you have a cracked head,
2. If you have a blown head gasket,
3. You have a warped head,
4. You have a cracked block between each cylinder.

However, there would have been symptoms such as uneven idling, missing on occasion etc which may not have been noticed by the driver. My driver has the same problem, he does not notice things going wrong, he only points out after they have gone wrong.

Getting all this checked today. Head and block being sent to the "lathe" for checking.

theMAG · 6th January 2012, 12:36

What's the update on this? Rather curious to know.

nawalsingal · 6th January 2012, 18:20

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

Getting all this checked today. Head and block being sent to the "lathe" for checking.

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Originally Posted by theMAG

What's the update on this? Rather curious to know.

Me too, waiting for final diagnosis, Quite curious to know the reason, Early report welcome.

vikram_d · 6th January 2012, 18:35

Sorry guys for not having updated this thread. I was busy with my other car. The Maruti engineers came and did a thorough inspection of the block. They think the culprits are weak piston rings, but they cannot be sure. Anyways, since the car was under extended warranty they are replacing the complete engine block (bottom half) free of cost. I will have to bear only the expenses for some stuff like gaskets and oil seals, which is absolutely ok with me.

So I guess all's well that ends well. :-)

F150 · 6th January 2012, 20:41

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

Sorry guys for not having updated this thread. I was busy with my other car. The Maruti engineers came and did a thorough inspection of the block. They think the culprits are weak piston rings, but they cannot be sure. Anyways, since the car was under extended warranty they are replacing the complete engine block (bottom half) free of cost. I will have to bear only the expenses for some stuff like gaskets and oil seals, which is absolutely ok with me.

So I guess all's well that ends well. :-)

what would be the cost of engine block (bottom half) if it was not under extended warranty ?

Expenses for some stuff like gaskets and oil seals - Would this be covered under insurance ?

amit_mechengg · 6th January 2012, 21:30

they shouldnt charge you for oil seals and gaskets. and remember they cost a lot.

vikram_d · 7th January 2012, 13:44

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Originally Posted by amit_mechengg

they shouldnt charge you for oil seals and gaskets. and remember they cost a lot.

I will end up paying about 3 - 4k from my pocket. After Maruti has been so gracious to give a new block without any argument, I don't think it is worth fighting over such a small amount.

autocrat · 7th January 2012, 15:37

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

I will end up paying about 3 - 4k from my pocket. After Maruti has been so gracious to give a new block without any argument, I don't think it is worth fighting over such a small amount.

Frankly, there is nothing gracious about this, as the block should not be failing at 54k km

. Dont accept to pay for the gasket and seals.

From my POV, they could not make a correct diagnosis. "Zero compression" can happen in all cylinders if the block has a horizontal crack running across, head gasket is blown at multiple places, or all pistons have blown or all valves are out of their seating position.

Such failures happen when the engine is running, but I cant believe it can happen on an engine thats shut down.

The only possibility that I can think of is that the block was hot, and if the car was washed with cold water (engine bay), the block might crack due to thermal shock. (for this too, i think its possible only when theres a casting defect in the block)

In any case, you should refuse to pay anything for this.

F150 · 7th March 2012, 18:52

what is the final update ?

Could you please update us ?

vikram_d · 7th March 2012, 19:27

The final update on this is as follows

The A.S.S replaced the complete bottom half and left the engine for running in. After sometime one of the mechanics noted that the car was not running and it had stopped. So the engine was opened up once again and guess what? They found broken cam shafts, even though these were fine when they had bolted on the engine.

The net effect of all this chaos is that the car now has a complete new engine with no costs involved for me. Anyways since Maruti/Suzuki has done a great job without my even having to say a word, I have decided to put the incident behind me and get on with it.

The only drawback of this episode has been that since the engine is a new one, all engine service schedules have gone haywire and all oil changes are starting afresh. While they were at it I told them to replace the clutch also for which I paid. Car is back doing it's regular duties and feels excellent to drive.

So basically for me it is a case of all's well that ends well.

autocrat · 7th March 2012, 21:18

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

The final update on this is as follows

The A.S.S replaced the complete bottom half and left the engine for running in. After sometime one of the mechanics noted that the car was not running and it had stopped. So the engine was opened up once again and guess what? They found broken cam shafts, even though these were fine when they had bolted on the engine.

Glad to know that you were not charged for this

. Problem might have been camshaft bearings? Any post-mortem report?

F150 · 7th March 2012, 21:49

Awesome settlement I must say. You got a brand new engine, but the cause of failure is yet to be ascertained ?

Sutripta · 7th March 2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

They found broken cam shafts,

Any pictures?

Regards
Sutripta

vikram_d · 8th March 2012, 07:21

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

Any pictures?

Regards
Sutripta

Sadly no pictures. I forgot my phone at home that day, but I was there when they opened the head and saw the broken cams.

im_srini · 8th March 2012, 11:23

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Originally Posted by vikram_d

The A.S.S replaced the complete bottom half and left the engine for running in. After sometime one of the mechanics noted that the car was not running and it had stopped. So the engine was opened up once again and guess what ? They found broken cam shafts, even though these were fine when they had bolted on the engine.

Two other cases of broken camshafts in DDiS diesels...

A) Dzire diesel with punctured sump (has pics of a broken cam)

B) To-be-delivered Swift diesel

6th January 2012, 12:36	#17
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	Re: One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders What's the update on this? Rather curious to know.
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6th January 2012, 18:35	#19
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	Re: One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders Sorry guys for not having updated this thread. I was busy with my other car. The Maruti engineers came and did a thorough inspection of the block. They think the culprits are weak piston rings, but they cannot be sure. Anyways, since the car was under extended warranty they are replacing the complete engine block (bottom half) free of cost. I will have to bear only the expenses for some stuff like gaskets and oil seals, which is absolutely ok with me. So I guess all's well that ends well. :-)
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6th January 2012, 21:30	#21
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,488 Thanked: 2,252 Times View My Garage	Re: One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders they shouldnt charge you for oil seals and gaskets. and remember they cost a lot.
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F150 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2011 Location: PUNE Posts: 1,730 Thanked: 870 Times View My Garage	Re: One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders what is the final update ? Could you please update us ?
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7th March 2012, 19:27	#25
vikram_d Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,427 Thanked: 1,185 Times	Re: One for the Gurus: Dzire diesel - Zero compression on all four cylinders The final update on this is as follows The A.S.S replaced the complete bottom half and left the engine for running in. After sometime one of the mechanics noted that the car was not running and it had stopped. So the engine was opened up once again and guess what? They found broken cam shafts, even though these were fine when they had bolted on the engine. The net effect of all this chaos is that the car now has a complete new engine with no costs involved for me. Anyways since Maruti/Suzuki has done a great job without my even having to say a word, I have decided to put the incident behind me and get on with it. The only drawback of this episode has been that since the engine is a new one, all engine service schedules have gone haywire and all oil changes are starting afresh. While they were at it I told them to replace the clutch also for which I paid. Car is back doing it's regular duties and feels excellent to drive. So basically for me it is a case of all's well that ends well.
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7th March 2012, 21:49	#27
F150 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2011 Location: PUNE Posts: 1,730 Thanked: 870 Times View My Garage	Awesome settlement I must say. You got a brand new engine, but the cause of failure is yet to be ascertained ?
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