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Originally Posted by Nits83

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Agreed I had the old Gen Alto K10, you has to change gears at lower speed I stalled it many times in second gear when I was still getting used to the car

The new gen Alto K10 has no such problems of insufficient torque at low rpms.

[WhiteFang]

Many here are skeptical about Ford's decision to go with 3 cylinder unit mainly due to NVH/refinement concerns, but what I really hope is good driviability from this engine in lower gears. (Something which was'nt great with EcoBoost)

I follow a sedate driving style and I find any sort of initial lag outright irritating. That is the main reason why I could never enjoy driving any of the diesel engines I have tried so far and it also contributed on my decision to buy VW Polo MPI last year. Eventhough 1.2 L engine recieve lot of bashing from everywhere for being a 3 cylinder unit, I absolutely love it's low speed driviability.

After an year I will be in market for a petrol automatic as a replacement for my Polo MPI and among the cars available in market now this is the only one which ticks all the right boxes (Provided Ford retains fully loaded automatic variant).
That is why I'm keenly following every update on this.

[1100D]

Comparing with Honda City's fabulous 4cyl 1.5 engine thats now been around since ages

Dragon/City

POWER
123PS/119PS - @ 6500RPM/6600RPM
TORQUE
150NM/145NM - @ 4500RPM/4600RPM

So just about manages to better the city engine in specifications by a little margin. But the City engine is super refined.

Now the bigger question, all this investment and hype about this engine, where does it fit in locally apart from the Ecosport. The Figo twins won't benefit at all, as the Sub-4m advantage will wipe out. Maybe a sports edition max, which only a select few will buy.

If there is another Larger Hatch/Sedan coming in, then this engine being already localised might help those. But even in that case, Honda's upcoming city is rumoured to up the engine game further.

All in all, having difficulty in understanding Ford's vision with this.

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by 1100D

So just about manages to better the city engine in specifications by a little margin. But the City engine is super refined.

And the City engine is pretty fuel efficient too while churning out the power. Ford petrols don't have that reputation.

Regarding the losing the sub 4m advantage with the 1.5L petrol engine, isn't it the same with the current 1.5L 4-cyl petrol engine?

The new engine would bring in better power and torque figures over its predecessor while being marginally more fuel efficient. Whether it gives away the refinement for these gains, remains to be seen.

[1100D]

Originally Posted by ashis89

Regarding the losing the sub 4m advantage with the 1.5L petrol engine, isn't it the same with the current 1.5L 4-cyl petrol engine?

My statement was confined to the present offering in the Figo twins, see below!

Originally Posted by 1100D

The Figo twins won't benefit at all, as the Sub-4m advantage will wipe out. Maybe a sports edition max, which only a select few will buy.

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by 1100D

My statement was confined to the present offering in the Figo twins, see below!

I am sorry for getting confused.
I was wondering about using a 1.5L engine is a sub-4m car when they could have got something better or on the other hand, they could have got something smaller (<1.2L) to get those benefits. I read on the other thread the tentative prices would start from 7.7L and this could have been lower.

[Col Mehta]

Originally Posted by sandeepmohan

As an enthusiast, I care about the number of cylinders an engine has and to me a 3 pot isn't done. As peppy and fast a Mini Copper D is, there is no getting away from the fact that you are being propelled forward by a 3 pot. The same applies for pretty much every 3 pot I have experienced. It is by design imbalanced so a lot of counter measures have to be made to sort out that inherent 3 cylinder thrum. Almost every manufacturer I know has tried everything they can in design and in their brochures to convince you that you aren't driving a 3 pot. Truth is, there is little you can do about it.

I am sure a vast majority do not care about this. As a customer, are you willing to pay 10+ big one's for a car with a 3 pot? We will have to wait and see how the new Ecopsort fares with this new engine. Probably makes sense for Ford to offer this engine on the Figo twins too.

Second that. No other thought to it. Regardless of how efficient these three-cylinder engines become, I can never live with the fact that there is that one cylinder missing.

Originally Posted by GTO

You can say that again - loads of 3 cylinders around us. I think manufacturers are banking on the fact that the average consumer cares about engine size, power & FE, but isn't technically inclined to bother with the number of cylinders.

Absolutely. One of my nephews bought his new WagonR last year and never knew that it comes with 3-pot engine until somebody from his friend circle told him about that missing cylinder .

All things being equal, I'd never buy a 3-cylinder over a more balanced 4. Most of the 3s are simply not as refined as the silky smooth 4s (and there are so many of them).

+1 to that.

[abhishek46]

Originally Posted by 1100D

Comparing with Honda City's fabulous 4cyl 1.5 engine thats now been around since ages

Dragon/City

POWER
123PS/119PS - @ 6500RPM/6600RPM
TORQUE
150NM/145NM - @ 4500RPM/4600RPM

So just about manages to better the city engine in specifications by a little margin. But the City engine is super refined.

Sir,
I believe we should compare these figures using Torque and Power graphs, rather than absolute numbers at a particular rpm.

Torque graphs reveal the true nature of an engine.

[Sutripta]

And only yesterday 'silky smooth' was the domain of I6, V8 or bigger. I4s were considered declasse.

Anyway interested in knowing about the results of Fords experimentation with cylinder cutoff on a 3 cylinder engine.

Regards
Sutripta

[RM Motorsports]

Just came across this video which explains construction and working of the Ford's new 1.5L Dragon Petrol Engine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oltbAPhPWC8

[naturaldisaster]

Thanks for the lovely pics and info. I too happen to wonder why a 1.5 with no turbo. While performance and 'drivability' will be surely good, I am not so sure about FE. Lets face it. At least in India, FE of a petrol motor is always considered while choosing between petrol and diesel variants. The old 1.5 was in no way very frugal, so will 7% more be that good? (New Ecosport owners can share FE numbers if possible.)

Personally, I am a petrol person. But as much as i love the buttery smoothness and high revving creaminess of petrol mills, FE does surely play an important role for me.

[Sutripta]

Originally Posted by RM Motorsports

Just came across this video which explains construction and working of the Ford's new 1.5L Dragon Petrol Engine.

Lots of 'bigger, better, stronger' etc. Than what?

I found the EcoBoost to be overhyped, and was totally underwhlemed by the actual experience. Would season the marketing pitch for the 'Dragon' with a bit more salt than I usually use! Till I taste the pudding!

Regards
Sutripta

[supremoo]

The earlier Eco-boost engine failed to live up to its expectations and that is the reason that it was axed. ford is working to fix the Eco boost engine with Catch Can Installation and tons of money has already been spend on that account. Don’t be surprised if Eco boost makes a re –entry in the near future with its problems fixed. The dragon engine being aluminum bodied will be lighter but NVH levels are worse off.

[nirvanaguy19]

The dragon 1.5L in the new Ecosport is fairly impressive. I haven't experience the 1.5 NA of the City but the Dragon engine is free revving and seems to have lots of torque in both the lower and mid range, I am quite impressed with the engine. NVH levels seem reasonably good as well

[supremoo]

Originally Posted by nirvanaguy19

The dragon 1.5L in the new Ecosport is fairly impressive. I haven't experience the 1.5 NA of the City but the Dragon engine is free revving and seems to have lots of torque in both the lower and mid range, I am quite impressed with the engine. NVH levels seem reasonably good as well

Please share your real world experiences and driveability/mileage opinions too.