Coil-springs/McPhersons for Gypsy

anupmathur · 10th October 2007, 21:11

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Originally Posted by nitrous

I dont see "tubeless" there!

Thank You.
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anupmathur · 10th October 2007, 21:12

And anyway, Cougar has escaped!!!

gotzuk · 15th October 2007, 13:20

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Originally Posted by khan_sultan

Folks,

Just heard that there was a Gypsy in this year's Raid-de-Himalayas that had a coil suspension job done. It was one of those white, radically modified ones..

However I hear that it broke an axle and was not able to proceed..

Maybe we can get info from someone who was part of raid-de-him this year.

Anyone there..???

that would be lakhpa tsering in a white gypsy bearing
competion number 14..

but im not too sure if he had a coil spring job on his gypsy..

headers · 15th October 2007, 13:49

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Originally Posted by veyron1

Mcphersons?? In a Gypsy? That too rear? Holy cow. The chassis would have to be cut & welded in paces that would flex the living daylights out of the retro'd suspension.

Not worth it. Coil springs, yes possible, but again, not worth it. Reduces the ruggedness of the chassis. You have to calculate the bracket angles, change the knuckles, fabricate the mounting plates, etc. Costs could vary anywhere between 35-50K for a proper job. For all four ends.

Get softer rated leafs, if ride quality is the issue. Else, plonk in a couple of sand bags at the rear. Helps a lot, & cheap, too.

Veyron1, its worth the money if you could find somebody to do the job..The handling would improve dramatically .. But wonder how the offroad performance would be..

I've got my gypsy king running on 235/75 R15 Michelin LT-X..tubeless .. The ride has improved dramatically.

Also, I've removed the Orignal Hardtop to make it look sportier..It also handles much much better now as there is decreased lateral wind resistance..

But the Jump in a gypsy is something...to jump about

anupmathur · 15th October 2007, 13:57

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Originally Posted by headers

I've got my gypsy king running on 235/75 R15 Michelin LT-X..tubeless ..

With that size of rubber can you still turn your wheel to full port and starboard without touching the bodywork?

headers · 15th October 2007, 14:00

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

With that size of rubber can you still turn your wheel to full port and starboard without touching the bodywork?

Yeah..I can..Though at full lock..it does touch by an mm..so i dont manage to do the full lock!!

We did cut a little bit of the front bumper..to accomodate the tyre during turns and in action!!

gotzuk · 15th October 2007, 15:47

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Originally Posted by headers

I've got my gypsy king running on 235/75 R15 Michelin LT-X..tubeless .. The ride has improved dramatically.

headers,
though tyre choice is an entirely personal issue, be advised that
fitting oversize tyres can, and frequently lead to other problems,
including poor handling, reduced lateral and logitudinal stability,
shortened component lives and inferior performance..

it is not recommended that tyres bigger than 215/70-15 be fitted
on the suzuki gypsys.. i run a 05' mpfi gypsy with 215 BFG's and believe
me that my friends mpfi gypsy with 205 Bridgestone Dueler A/T has the
edge when flying through the himalayan countryside on broken tarmac..

oversized tyres apart from added to the chunky looks of the gypsy, do little else in augmenting the driving experience.. and im amazed at the
number of people trying to sqeeze in the biggest possible tyre under the
wheel arches of the little gypsy, some as ridiculously big as 275's..

i guess bigger is not always better..
just my two cents..
cheers...

anupmathur · 15th October 2007, 16:40

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

it is not recommended that tyres bigger than 215/70-15 be fitted on the suzuki gypsys....

I agree with that, as my own experience was that even the 215/70R15 were touching the inside of the wheelarch at full lock.

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Originally Posted by headers

Yeah..I can..Though at full lock..it does touch by an mm..so i dont manage to do the full lock!!
We did cut a little bit of the front bumper..to accomodate the tyre during turns and in action!!

!!!

nitrous · 15th October 2007, 18:51

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

i run a 05' mpfi gypsy with 215 BFG's

That is one of the softest tyres I've come across.

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

some as ridiculously big as 275's..

I've seen a Gypsy 1000 with these tyres. It still got stuck in the dry river bed.

gotzuk · 15th October 2007, 22:09

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Originally Posted by nitrous

I've seen a Gypsy 1000 with these tyres. It still got stuck in the dry river bed.

hehehe.. priceless...
i guess, a couple of real horses in the front would really help improve the
offroadabilty of the viagraously tyred steel horse...
cheers..

headers · 16th October 2007, 16:47

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Originally Posted by anupmathur

I agree with that, as my own experience was that even the 215/70R15 were touching the inside of the wheelarch at full lock.

!!!

Your suspension needs to be re-cambered..

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotzuk

headers,
though tyre choice is an entirely personal issue, be advised that
fitting oversize tyres can, and frequently lead to other problems,
including poor handling, reduced lateral and logitudinal stability,
shortened component lives and inferior performance..

it is not recommended that tyres bigger than 215/70-15 be fitted
on the suzuki gypsys.. i run a 05' mpfi gypsy with 215 BFG's and believe
me that my friends mpfi gypsy with 205 Bridgestone Dueler A/T has the
edge when flying through the himalayan countryside on broken tarmac..

oversized tyres apart from added to the chunky looks of the gypsy, do little else in augmenting the driving experience.. and im amazed at the
number of people trying to sqeeze in the biggest possible tyre under the
wheel arches of the little gypsy, some as ridiculously big as 275's..

just my two cents..
cheers...

Hi gotzuk,
I agree with your view that fitting oversized tyres will lead to all kinds of unwanted trouble..if done without taking into consideration the suspension setup..

But i do believe that a 215 would / will definitely be better than a 205..in conering and comfort..but the steering effort will be a tad tighter in the 215..235..etc.. But this can also be corected by having proper toe-in settings..

I did have my wheels touching as stock and have modified my suspension - recambered to have more lift.. so that there is no wheel touching the wheel hub even when loaded upto 1.5 tons on the vehicle..

My purpose of having the gypsy is for offroad use where a good tyre is essential for the vehicle to conquer the terrain.. hence the 235s.. Originally was running 215/75 R15 Pirelli scorpions..without much hassle..

Also, the lateral stability of my vehicle increased dramatically when the hardtop is removed..this can be easily felt while overtaking vehicles on the highway at say 100 or 110 kmph.. The old [hardtop] vehicle would actually do a dance which is missing without the top..

Also, at extreme angles, the hardtop being top heavy by 80 kgs or so tends to increase the body lean angles leading to topple..

headers · 16th October 2007, 16:49

ANd i dont think there were any gypsys in this years raid,,which had coil spring suspension..Pls highlight competetion number and maybe can check out..

gotzuk · 16th October 2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by headers

ANd i dont think there were any gypsys in this years raid,,which had coil spring suspension..Pls highlight competetion number and maybe can check out..

there was only one radically modified white gypsy, as mentioned by khan_sultan, and it was entered by Lakhpa Tsering from Arunachal Pradesh. if i'm not wrong his competetion number was 14 but as i said earlier i'm not sure if he was running a coil spring setup.
btw.. were you there for the raid this year??

headers · 17th October 2007, 09:39

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Originally Posted by gotzuk

there was only one radically modified white gypsy, as mentioned by khan_sultan, and it was entered by Lakhpa Tsering from Arunachal Pradesh. if i'm not wrong his competetion number was 14 but as i said earlier i'm not sure if he was running a coil spring setup.
btw.. were you there for the raid this year??

NO i wasnt but a friend of mine participated..!

BunnyPunia · 1st November 2007, 16:26

sorry to barge in, but i just put up a topic somewhere (3.5 lacs, gypsy/bolero/safari)..
my dad owned the first version 1.0 for 4yrs, sold it at 98000km. and it took 8 of us to shimla during the record dec 1989 snow. im so much inclined towards the gypsy.
neways, im ready to 'bear' the harsh ride. but with 235 tyres, tubeless, running slightly less air pressure, how good does the ride become? bearable ? (please say yes!!)
our 1.0 used to return around 9kmpl, how much does the 1.3 L MPFI return?
Our 1.0 used to do around 110max, how much does the 1.3L MPFI do?

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BunnyPunia BANNED Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 905 Thanked: 1,499 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	sorry to barge in, but i just put up a topic somewhere (3.5 lacs, gypsy/bolero/safari).. my dad owned the first version 1.0 for 4yrs, sold it at 98000km. and it took 8 of us to shimla during the record dec 1989 snow. im so much inclined towards the gypsy. neways, im ready to 'bear' the harsh ride. but with 235 tyres, tubeless, running slightly less air pressure, how good does the ride become? bearable ? (please say yes!!) our 1.0 used to return around 9kmpl, how much does the 1.3 L MPFI return? Our 1.0 used to do around 110max, how much does the 1.3L MPFI do?
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