Adding Engine oil with Diesel.

gd1418 · 24th January 2007, 10:47

So do others as well...including those who have used it or using it..!!!

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Originally Posted by chanapli

The reason being I usually own a vehice for a long period and I do not to invite trouble.

.anshuman · 24th January 2007, 11:28

ive used 2t oil in indica for some time,i was advised by the technician from tvs delphi service station when i was facing severe problem of dirty diesel,but i did it for a short time considering my car was not designed for 2t oil.

finetuning · 26th January 2007, 16:30

I havent found any ill effect of using very small amount of 2T in petrol.......the difference is quite noticeable once we start using it & it works really well.......in old gen. cars drivers used to get benefits by adding few hundred mls of oils in diesels......

2T oils contains PIB(Polyisobutylene) which improves the charecteristic of fuel to give benefits in power & FE.....

For more information see this....

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5906665.html

hellstar · 27th February 2007, 12:30

Sorry guys i was totally confused !

mfb · 27th February 2007, 17:25

Hey guys,
Recently when I was travelling on a hired qualis in Nepal, the driver used to do the same. He used to add 2T oil with diesel in a ratio. When I asked him about it, he said, the driving is smooth on the mountains and the vehicle gives good pickup as well. And it also takes care of the bad quality of diesel that they get there.
He also said that it's a usual practice in trucks as well.

I somehow had doubts about this theory.

finetuning · 28th February 2007, 00:40

If any theory have practical evidence then its working.........adding small amount of 2T in petrol/diesel indeed gives smoothness & increase in power.........this the main reason its used by most of the drivers.......they only know the end result ......I can say that it imparts lubricity to fuels and also changes the physical properties of fuel for best combustion.......

Enjoy....

panky12345 · 28th February 2007, 11:43

I've been using 250 ml in tank full deisel in my Indica....never faced any issues except for the terrible smoke!!

Su-47 · 28th February 2007, 12:13

Won't having wierd compounds in the exhaust damage the cat con? I mean the cat con wasn't designed to process 2T-oil exhaust. Besides, if the flash point of 2T oil is higher than diesel, the exhaust is sure to have unburnt HCs (as witnessed by panky). Very bad for pollution and a lot more work for your real engine oil to do the clean-up...

tsk1979 · 28th February 2007, 12:17

Yes it can damage the cat con, and there is a possibility that you don't pass the emissions test. Whats good for the engine need not be good for rest of the system.
For example high sulpher diesel is very engine friendly, because of its lubrication properties, but use it in newer engines which require low or ultra low sulpher diesel, you will mess up the emission system.

finetuning · 28th February 2007, 14:28

Agreed that adding high amount of oil into tank increases the emission at the cost of passing benefits to engines but as per 2T theory its amount is miniscule...just 0.8ml or 1 ml per ltr......I m very sure that adding this amount never increases the emission......also what normally we have seen people adding just car engine oil that too more then 200 ml.......I have seen numerous people getting same benefit of smoothness & increased performance minus horrible emission with right amount of 2T.....yet here we dont have zero sulpher diesel........there need to be some lubricating additive added with zero sulpher diesel for lubrication else this leads to failure of fuel pump as observed by leading nations who implemented this type of fuels.....

Enjoy...

tsk1979 · 28th February 2007, 14:45

@finetuning, for engines using Ultra low sulpher diesel, the recommended lubrication solution is to use CI, CJ grade engine oil, and not engine oil in fuel.

jango · 28th February 2007, 14:51

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Originally Posted by hellstar

Sorry guys i was totally confused !

That's OK Hellstar that's why u joined team-bhp to clear all ur confusion

werfish · 28th February 2007, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by panky12345

I've been using 250 ml in tank full deisel in my Indica....never faced any issues except for the terrible smoke!!

And you still continue to use Oil in ur Fuel?.Also does'nt Terrible Smoke affect the FE of the vehicle?

finetuning · 28th February 2007, 19:06

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

@finetuning, for engines using Ultra low sulpher diesel, the recommended lubrication solution is to use CI, CJ grade engine oil, and not engine oil in fuel.

Hi tsk1979,

Lubrication for moving engine part is different from lubrication of fuel particles......engine oil takes care of moving pistons & cylinders & so on but with extremly low sulpher fuel there is less lubrication of fuel itself....with more amount of sulpher say more then 3000 ppm there is no need of adding anything into fuel but is not so with zero sulpher fuel.......now oil companies are seriously thinking of adding some loubricating part so that engine runs well without any failure.....

This concept is based on movement of liquids inside a pipe....flow of high sulpher fuel is more compared to low sulpher.....this drag resistance is high in zero sulpher......engine lubrication is altogather different aspect......

THis link illustrates this...BI-TRON

Enjoy.....

veyron1 · 28th February 2007, 20:05

As most have already said, adding oil to diesel actually improves performance- by a wee margin. This is true, as the oil improves fuel circulation in the fuel pump. Fuel pumps in petrol engines run low pressures compared to diesels. Besides, petrol serves as a superb lubricant. Not so with diesel.

And if you thought this was weird, check this out- I've seen passenger buses, down south, running measured quantities of petrol on diesel engines. Yes. I've seen some buses add petrol to their diesel tanks (unknown ratio; only the conductor/ driver are aware of that) in order to improve perfromance.

24th January 2007, 11:28	#17
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	ive used 2t oil in indica for some time,i was advised by the technician from tvs delphi service station when i was facing severe problem of dirty diesel,but i did it for a short time considering my car was not designed for 2t oil.
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26th January 2007, 16:30	#18
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 13 Times	I havent found any ill effect of using very small amount of 2T in petrol.......the difference is quite noticeable once we start using it & it works really well.......in old gen. cars drivers used to get benefits by adding few hundred mls of oils in diesels...... 2T oils contains PIB(Polyisobutylene) which improves the charecteristic of fuel to give benefits in power & FE..... For more information see this.... http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5906665.html
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27th February 2007, 12:30	#19
hellstar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,072 Thanked: 44 Times	Sorry guys i was totally confused !
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27th February 2007, 17:25	#20
mfb Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 12 Thanked: 0 Times	Hey guys, Recently when I was travelling on a hired qualis in Nepal, the driver used to do the same. He used to add 2T oil with diesel in a ratio. When I asked him about it, he said, the driving is smooth on the mountains and the vehicle gives good pickup as well. And it also takes care of the bad quality of diesel that they get there. He also said that it's a usual practice in trucks as well. I somehow had doubts about this theory.
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28th February 2007, 00:40	#21
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 13 Times	If any theory have practical evidence then its working.........adding small amount of 2T in petrol/diesel indeed gives smoothness & increase in power.........this the main reason its used by most of the drivers.......they only know the end result ......I can say that it imparts lubricity to fuels and also changes the physical properties of fuel for best combustion....... Enjoy....
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28th February 2007, 11:43	#22
panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 171 Times	I've been using 250 ml in tank full deisel in my Indica....never faced any issues except for the terrible smoke!!
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28th February 2007, 12:13	#23
Su-47 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 692 Thanked: 338 Times	Won't having wierd compounds in the exhaust damage the cat con? I mean the cat con wasn't designed to process 2T-oil exhaust. Besides, if the flash point of 2T oil is higher than diesel, the exhaust is sure to have unburnt HCs (as witnessed by panky). Very bad for pollution and a lot more work for your real engine oil to do the clean-up...
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28th February 2007, 12:17	#24
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	Yes it can damage the cat con, and there is a possibility that you don't pass the emissions test. Whats good for the engine need not be good for rest of the system. For example high sulpher diesel is very engine friendly, because of its lubrication properties, but use it in newer engines which require low or ultra low sulpher diesel, you will mess up the emission system.
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28th February 2007, 14:28	#25
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 13 Times	Agreed that adding high amount of oil into tank increases the emission at the cost of passing benefits to engines but as per 2T theory its amount is miniscule...just 0.8ml or 1 ml per ltr......I m very sure that adding this amount never increases the emission......also what normally we have seen people adding just car engine oil that too more then 200 ml.......I have seen numerous people getting same benefit of smoothness & increased performance minus horrible emission with right amount of 2T.....yet here we dont have zero sulpher diesel........there need to be some lubricating additive added with zero sulpher diesel for lubrication else this leads to failure of fuel pump as observed by leading nations who implemented this type of fuels..... Enjoy...
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28th February 2007, 14:45	#26
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,825 Times View My Garage	@finetuning, for engines using Ultra low sulpher diesel, the recommended lubrication solution is to use CI, CJ grade engine oil, and not engine oil in fuel.
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28th February 2007, 20:05	#30
veyron1 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,424 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	As most have already said, adding oil to diesel actually improves performance- by a wee margin. This is true, as the oil improves fuel circulation in the fuel pump. Fuel pumps in petrol engines run low pressures compared to diesels. Besides, petrol serves as a superb lubricant. Not so with diesel. And if you thought this was weird, check this out- I've seen passenger buses, down south, running measured quantities of petrol on diesel engines. Yes. I've seen some buses add petrol to their diesel tanks (unknown ratio; only the conductor/ driver are aware of that) in order to improve perfromance.
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