[ms_rana]

Hi,

Any idea when are we having Euro IV/Bharat Stage IV norms in effect in India?

To my understanding it should be sometime early next year (first quarter).

Thanks

[rohan_fonseca]

Thought it was 2010 for the metros.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by rohan_fonseca

Thought it was 2010 for the metros.

That's true, only in NCR and 10 other cities. Rest of the country will only become BS-III that time.

[nitrous]

People in metros better buy new cars before 2010.
These euro norms chomp off desireable BHP.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by nitrous

People in metros better buy new cars before 2010.
These euro norms chomp off desireable BHP.

Really?
Pre Euro norm Maruti 1000: 45 BHP
Pre-Euro-II carburetted Esteem: 65 BHP
Euro-II MPFI Esteem: 85 BHP

[nitrous]

Lol,man.

Maruti 1000 had a 1000cc engine. Carb esteem had an 8 valve 1300 engine.
And the MPFI esteems have 16 valves and fuel injection.

Not fair to compare the three.

[esteem_lover]

Originally Posted by nitrous

People in metros better buy new cars before 2010.
These euro norms chomp off desireable BHP.

Are you telling yourself mahendra ?

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by nitrous

Lol,man.

Maruti 1000 had a 1000cc engine. Carb esteem had an 8 valve 1300 engine.
And the MPFI esteems have 16 valves and fuel injection.

Not fair to compare the three.

OK, then let's look at Tata 407.

Pre Euro I: 65 PS
Euro-II: 70 PS
Euro-III: 100PS

All engines 2956 CC, two valves per cylinder; of course, the latter two with turbo.

Is it fair to expect better emissions without expecting technological changes?

The point I'm trying to make is this:

In order to improve emissions, you need to make technological improvements in the engine which usually improve, not diminish, performance. If while improving emission, performance has diminished, then probably the effort was a half-hearted, cost-conscious one.

[nitrous]

OT:
U have a point,DI.
The most important way to reduce emissions is complete efficient combustion which not only decreases pollution but also increases power output. I totally value this.
But ,as the euro norms progress, complete combustion techniques are now redundant and bhp-robbing gadgets similar to the cat-con, EGR,etc are put to use.
I got this from an engine-er.

[dkamath]

since a 32-bit ECU is already being used for BS-3 norms, probably the manufacturers are waiting for Intel to come out with a 64-bit one for BS-4 adoption
Just joking. remeber reading somewhere that the investment involved for upgrading the engine is huge, and that might be one reason for BS-4 upgrade to be implemented.

[mithun]

Originally Posted by directinjection

That's true, only in NCR and 10 other cities. Rest of the country will only become BS-III that time.

Are you saying that the rest of India is still BS II ?

I'm having doubts about your info !

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by mithun

Are you saying that the rest of India is still BS II ?

I'm having doubts about your info !

That's true, when I was considering the Gama few months back, the Force dealer in Mangalore was really irritated that I wanted the BSIII version, he was mainly interested in BSII version saying that is what sells since it is cheaper.

[vasudeva]

From April 1, 2005: Bharat Stage II (BS II) norms (equivalent to Euro II) for the entire country; Euro III equivalent norms for all private vehicles, city public service vehicles and city CVs for cities of Delhi/NCR, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Pune, Surat, Kanpur, and Agra.

From April 1, 2010 Bharat Stage III norms (Euro III equivalent norms) for the entire country; Bharat Stage IV (Euro IV equivalent norms) for all private vehicles, city public service vehicles and city commercial vehicles for cities of Delhi/NCR, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Pune, Surat, Kanpur and Agra.

[mithun]

Originally Posted by vasudeva

From April 1, 2005: Bharat Stage II (BS II) norms (equivalent to Euro II) for the entire country; Euro III equivalent norms for all private vehicles, city public service vehicles and city CVs for cities of Delhi/NCR, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Pune, Surat, Kanpur, and Agra.

From April 1, 2010 Bharat Stage III norms (Euro III equivalent norms) for the entire country; Bharat Stage IV (Euro IV equivalent norms) for all private vehicles, city public service vehicles and city commercial vehicles for cities of Delhi/NCR, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Pune, Surat, Kanpur and Agra.

But in Cochin, the newer breed of cars for the past 2 years are all Bharat Stage III !

[BaCkSeAtDrIVeR]

Now, how do I know if my wagonR purchased 4 months back is BS II or BS III??

And here are some interesting links:-
1. Usual quick to find knowall - the wiki - Emission standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2. The horse's mouth - PIB Press Release
3. BL on BS - The Hindu Business Line : Euro versus Bharat norms
4. Interesting links from the organisation which is bound to enforce it - the pollution con troll board - Vehicular Exhaust and Auto Fuel Quality
5. Apparently more info here - Emission Standards: India: On-Road Vehicles and Engines
6. FInd the legaelse here - Notifications :: SIAM