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Originally Posted by jayeshrc No. This is not true. For example ill use personal experienxe. I've worked with a motec m800, which is right up there when you're talking about ecus and it definitely follows exactly what you program and nothing more. There is a main table and then compensations based on variables like the environment and so on and so forth, all programmed again, by the company.
So far there hasn't been too much development in terms of neural networks or adaptive processing for ecus that we see. |
As I said before, lets not get caught in semantics. You're taking this way to far. Nothing to do with neural networks. What I described is very straightforward mathematics with some clever algorithms thrown in. Maybe even some simple fuzzy logic, which has been available since the late 80s. Just about every modern ECU has fuzzy logic in. I doubt your Motec products have it. I had a quick look at their site and it seems to me these are pretty basic ECU's that use only fixed mapping as you point out, because they are used for specific cars and or drivers. No need to adapt, you want to optimize it once. You tell me, you're the expert on their products.
To boldly go where you have not gone before I suggest you google:
"adaptive shift logic".
You will get 2.400.000 hits all explaining to you from various Car manufactures, transmission manufactures, media articles and a lot of car forums that there are lots of gearboxes with their associated electronics, indeed, remarkably, do adapt to particular driver style.
E.g. from Wikipedia on the DSG autobox:
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The actual shift points are determined by the DSG's transmission ECU, which commands a hydro-mechanical unit.[2] The transmission ECU, combined with the hydro-mechanical unit, are collectively called a "mechatronics"[2] unit or module. Because the DSG's ECU uses "fuzzy logic", the operation of the DSG is said to be "adaptive"; that is, the DSG will "learn" how the user drives the car, and will progressively tailor the shift points accordingly to suit the habits of the driver.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox
So all VW's, Audi and Skoda that use the DSG box have this! I know the mechatronics sounds a bit SciFi, but that can't be helped. Even a very reputable manufacturer as ZF uses this term! Has been available on the ZF 6HP autobox as provided in many BMW's, Mercedes and Jaguars from the late 80's onward.
This is just on the shift pattern. And the same can be found for advance timing, throttle response etc.
Now, I'd be the first one to agree you should not believe anything you find on the internet. However, given that many of the google results point to very reputable parties, I'd say that the chance that this is something akin to the Nasa Moon landing hoax, are less then remote. If you believe the Nasa Moon Landing was indeed a hoax I have a bridge for sale you should have a look at!
Now, if you want to argue that the real advantage of all these electronic gadgety is difficult to quantify, I'd be the first to agree and have already said so. In those 2.400.000 hits you will find various test reports, often from car magazines that write about the lack of finding real practical advantage of all this stuff. So be it. From a technical point of view car manufacturers and their various OEM part manufacturers have been at it for more than twenty years. The first patents on adaptive shift logic are over twenty years old, for those of a more Anorak disposition.
By the way, combining adaptive shift logic with neural networks is pretty old school as well. The industry has been producing papers on this for more than a decade:
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...8943049500040E
In all honesty, I don't know if it ever went into real life production. But I suspect it might be down to semantics again.
On my Alfa Romeo Spider with it Bosch L-tronic there is nothing adaptive. Its all hard coded. If I want to change anything, I either swap the chip, or put the car on a rolling road and have the various curves adjusted/optimized. Again, all hard coded. Nothing gets adjusted automatically. There is no "learning' or "adapting".
On my jaguar I have two settings. Normal and Sport mode. In sport mode the suspension stiffens up, the throttle response increases and the shift patterns get adjusted. In essence, pushing that S-mode button, off sets the normal curves, maybe even alters the shape a little. But whilst in normal mode, the various curves do get adjusted. No neural network is needed to very simply determine how fast I typically accelerate. The ECU knows speeds, throttle position, and based on time can calculate acceleration. Over time that gets averaged out and if I'm more heavy on the old right foot than average, the shift curves get adjusted a little bit. Simple as that. Very straightforward math.
I'm not sure, but your Motec units are probably capable of storing multiple curves and shifting between based on external inputs.
Enjoy and make sure you don't get stuck in your personal experience. There's a whole big world out there you can learn from; Adapt is the name of the game!
Jeroen