Not going beyond 80kmph - Esteem 1999 Carb.

zacs · 10th November 2008, 10:34

Hi, off late there is a problem with my 1999 carb esteem. Howmuch ever the throtle is given the car fails to pass 80kmph. There is an unusual sound from the exhaust may be due to some leakage. Can this be a problem?. If so should i go for a FFE instead of repairing or replacing it with a factory one. Otherwise what can be the possible factors. Thanks in advance.

Hashim · 10th November 2008, 11:55

Is the car starting normally or taking long? It looks like something is struck inside silencer. In worst case, your clutch plates would be worn out totally. Other possible reasons may be bad tuning.

Jaggu · 10th November 2008, 12:16

How much has the car run? Start with a service and tune up.

esteem_lover · 10th November 2008, 12:25

A little bit of history about the car should help here.
1. When was the last time you serviced the car ?
2. what's the odo reading ?
3. Is the clutch very hard ?
4. How is the initial pick up ?

techn0l0gist · 10th November 2008, 12:46

check your catalytic convertor, it might have been clogged or contaminated, you'd have to replace it(~3k) or get rid of it(not legal) .

zacs · 10th November 2008, 14:40

1. When was the last time you serviced the car ?
Three months back
2. what's the odo reading ?
Its 115000 KM
3. Is the clutch very hard ?
No. Its been changed five months back, the clutch plate and wire. Its soft smooth and perfect
4. How is the initial pick up ?
Initial pick up is good i would rather say very good and goes to 80 KMPH with much ease.

Jaggu · 10th November 2008, 14:55

Start with a complete tune up, including carb cleaning and tappet adjustments. Clean/replace air filter and petrol filter.

See how it performs, also might be a good idea to see if compression is ok once you do the above, to determine the health of the engine.

Hope there is no engine oil consumption with the engine.

planet_rocker · 10th November 2008, 15:14

does it lose power at high rpm in every gear?

humyum · 10th November 2008, 15:18

Seems like an improperly tuned airfuel ratio/not functioning secondary butterfly/timing not set right.

zacs · 10th November 2008, 16:09

does it lose power at high rpm in every gear?
I have not felt so far. It starts in first crank even in cold. The car runs really good till it reaches 80. After that its takes a long time to push it to 85 thatz it. It is not going beyond. What is the max speed that can be attained on carb esteem? Thanks for the suggestions.

esteem_lover · 10th November 2008, 17:05

It could be the case of the secondary valve in the carb getting jammed or could be a problem directly related to your faulty exhaust, though i doubt the latter.

Jaggu · 10th November 2008, 17:41

Secondary buttery fly circuit seems like a definite culprit along with the diaphragm pump in the carb. These should be sorted out in a regular carb strip/clean up/tune up job at any of the M.A.S.S

techn0l0gist · 10th November 2008, 17:54

looks like everything points out to a stuck secondary butterfly - if you want to DIY, buy some 3M carb and choke cleaner, remove airfilter and spray it into the carburettor (instructions are given on the can). works most of the time for me. If that fails - then off you go for carb overhaul .

Amit

Jaggu · 10th November 2008, 18:22

1,15000 kms is good amount of running and i would strongly recommend carb stripping and servicing (if not done in the last 20k kms).

zacs · 11th November 2008, 11:39

Thank you all for the support and suggestions. Going to MASS for the carb cleaning and works. will post the after effect.

10th November 2008, 10:34	#1
zacs BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 85 Thanked: 82 Times	Not going beyond 80kmph - Esteem 1999 Carb. Hi, off late there is a problem with my 1999 carb esteem. Howmuch ever the throtle is given the car fails to pass 80kmph. There is an unusual sound from the exhaust may be due to some leakage. Can this be a problem?. If so should i go for a FFE instead of repairing or replacing it with a factory one. Otherwise what can be the possible factors. Thanks in advance.
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10th November 2008, 11:55	#2
Hashim BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Aligarh Posts: 449 Thanked: 49 Times View My Garage	Is the car starting normally or taking long? It looks like something is struck inside silencer. In worst case, your clutch plates would be worn out totally. Other possible reasons may be bad tuning.
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10th November 2008, 12:16	#3
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	How much has the car run? Start with a service and tune up.
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10th November 2008, 12:25	#4
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	A little bit of history about the car should help here. 1. When was the last time you serviced the car ? 2. what's the odo reading ? 3. Is the clutch very hard ? 4. How is the initial pick up ?
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10th November 2008, 12:46	#5
techn0l0gist BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Goa Posts: 364 Thanked: 89 Times	check your catalytic convertor, it might have been clogged or contaminated, you'd have to replace it(~3k) or get rid of it(not legal) .
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10th November 2008, 14:40	#6
zacs BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 85 Thanked: 82 Times	1. When was the last time you serviced the car ? Three months back 2. what's the odo reading ? Its 115000 KM 3. Is the clutch very hard ? No. Its been changed five months back, the clutch plate and wire. Its soft smooth and perfect 4. How is the initial pick up ? Initial pick up is good i would rather say very good and goes to 80 KMPH with much ease.
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10th November 2008, 14:55	#7
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	Start with a complete tune up, including carb cleaning and tappet adjustments. Clean/replace air filter and petrol filter. See how it performs, also might be a good idea to see if compression is ok once you do the above, to determine the health of the engine. Hope there is no engine oil consumption with the engine.
	() Thanks

10th November 2008, 15:14	#8
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	does it lose power at high rpm in every gear?
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10th November 2008, 15:18	#9
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,751 Thanked: 5,425 Times	Seems like an improperly tuned airfuel ratio/not functioning secondary butterfly/timing not set right.
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10th November 2008, 16:09	#10
zacs BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 85 Thanked: 82 Times	does it lose power at high rpm in every gear? I have not felt so far. It starts in first crank even in cold. The car runs really good till it reaches 80. After that its takes a long time to push it to 85 thatz it. It is not going beyond. What is the max speed that can be attained on carb esteem? Thanks for the suggestions.
	() Thanks

10th November 2008, 17:05	#11
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 502 Times View My Garage	It could be the case of the secondary valve in the carb getting jammed or could be a problem directly related to your faulty exhaust, though i doubt the latter.
	() Thanks

10th November 2008, 17:41	#12
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	Secondary buttery fly circuit seems like a definite culprit along with the diaphragm pump in the carb. These should be sorted out in a regular carb strip/clean up/tune up job at any of the M.A.S.S
	() Thanks

10th November 2008, 17:54	#13
techn0l0gist BHPian Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Goa Posts: 364 Thanked: 89 Times	looks like everything points out to a stuck secondary butterfly - if you want to DIY, buy some 3M carb and choke cleaner, remove airfilter and spray it into the carburettor (instructions are given on the can). works most of the time for me. If that fails - then off you go for carb overhaul . Amit
	() Thanks

10th November 2008, 18:22	#14
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,215 Thanked: 15,906 Times	1,15000 kms is good amount of running and i would strongly recommend carb stripping and servicing (if not done in the last 20k kms).
	() Thanks

11th November 2008, 11:39	#15
zacs BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 85 Thanked: 82 Times	Thank you all for the support and suggestions. Going to MASS for the carb cleaning and works. will post the after effect.
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