Esteem Brake Query

Bhargava_sr · 27th February 2009, 21:01

Hi Friends,

I have a 96 Model Esteem VX running without any problems, I regularly service it at a reputed Maruti service center in Hosur, Iam pretty happy with their work from past two years.
Six months ago I upgraded to Excedy Clutch plates and replaced left and right Drive Shafts. The car is run by Castrol Edge 10W-40 lubricant.
Its got a very smooth engine, my car does -
2nd gear - 110kmph
3rd gear - 130 kmph
5th gear - 175 kmph

However from past 6-7 months the car is very low in breaking. I just changed the Break pads (Front & Rear), Break lining, Break Caliber, break boosters (this is what my mechanic told me).
Inspite of replacing those parts breaks are still very low.

Iam now really scared driving at high speeds because it does stop
Friends please suggest me what else i need to repalce or what could be suspected problem

SS-Traveller · 27th February 2009, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Bhargava_sr

Its got a very smooth engine, my car does -
2nd gear - 110kmph
3rd gear - 130 kmph
5th gear - 175 kmph

However from past 6-7 months the car is very low in breaking. I just changed the Break pads (Front & Rear), Break lining, Break Caliber, break boosters (this is what my mechanic told me).
Inspite of replacing those parts breaks are still very low.

That seems to be an Esteem in great shape!

For the brakes, I don't notice your having replaced / turned (polished on a lathe) the brake discs and drums. For a '96 Esteem and such high speeds, replacing may be more advisable than turning. Use new pads and shoes of a good quality alongwith the new discs / drums. And change the wheel cylinders.

Bhargava_sr · 2nd March 2009, 22:44

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

That seems to be an Esteem in great shape!

For the brakes, I don't notice your having replaced / turned (polished on a lathe) the brake discs and drums. For a '96 Esteem and such high speeds, replacing may be more advisable than turning. Use new pads and shoes of a good quality alongwith the new discs / drums. And change the wheel cylinders.

I have already replaced the Brake Drums, Pads, Shoes and did not make any difference. (Disks are not repalced it)
Hey Friend can you tell me what is Wheel cylinders?? how much does it cost

SS-Traveller · 2nd March 2009, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Bhargava_sr

can you tell me what is Wheel cylinders?? how much does it cost

Wheel cylinders are the brake shoe actuating cylinders in the rear wheel. Should be about 300 rupees each for the Esteem.

SirAlec · 3rd March 2009, 01:42

just bleed the brakes properly. if you have changed that much parts.

Bhargava_sr · 3rd March 2009, 02:03

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Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

Wheel cylinders are the brake shoe actuating cylinders in the rear wheel. Should be about 300 rupees each for the Esteem.

I have replaced both the rear Shoes - does it mean I have also repalced the cylinders ?? please advice

Bhargava_sr · 3rd March 2009, 02:06

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Originally Posted by SirAlec

just bleed the brakes properly. if you have changed that much parts.

What is meant 'Bleed the Brakes', do you mean lubrication ??

CaliforniaKnight · 3rd March 2009, 10:11

1996 esteems tend to have weaker brakes as compared to the 1998 mY' cars.
Since you changed almost everything to new, you should have in the first place changed them to the 1998 one's wherein they have ventilated disc brakes and is much more efficient. I am not sure if the brake booster is bigger compared to the 1996 cars.

silver_shadow · 3rd March 2009, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Bhargava_sr

What is meant 'Bleed the Brakes', do you mean lubrication ??

he means to have any air bubbles removed from the brake fluid. bubbles in the system prevent effective transfer of braking *signal* to the disc brakes.

SS-Traveller · 3rd March 2009, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Bhargava_sr

I have replaced both the rear Shoes - does it mean I have also repalced the cylinders ?? please advice

No, changing the cylinders is a separate exercise, which most mechanics are not too keen to do. And bleeding the brakes (removing air from the system) needs to be done properly and carefully.

SirAlec · 4th March 2009, 01:29

if it doesn't leaks there is no need to replace wheel cylinder.

Bleeding mean, to remove air bubble from brake lines. WHen you open up brakes its a must to fill the reservoir and line with new fluid and remove air bubbles from the system.

Shashank.A · 7th March 2009, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Bhargava_sr

Six months ago I upgraded to Excedy Clutch plates and replaced left and right Drive Shafts. The car is run by Castrol Edge 10W-40 lubricant.
Its got a very smooth engine, my car does -
2nd gear - 110kmph
3rd gear - 130 kmph
5th gear - 175 kmph

Is this performance with ungraded clutch ? I mean did it perform the same on stock clutch ?

alexnazim · 24th April 2009, 23:13

You should try going for performance brakes. Something like the ventilated discs. Also get discs in the rear if you have that kind of money.

GTO · 25th April 2009, 10:41

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Originally Posted by alexnazim

Something like the ventilated discs. Also get discs in the rear if you have that kind of money.

Agreed on ventilated discs since the earlier Esteem brakes cook up too early. But no ways would I let an after-market hand modify the rear braking system to disc type. It is too substantial a modification for the after-market.

27th February 2009, 21:01	#1
Bhargava_sr BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: HOSUR Posts: 318 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Esteem Brake Query Hi Friends, I have a 96 Model Esteem VX running without any problems, I regularly service it at a reputed Maruti service center in Hosur, Iam pretty happy with their work from past two years. Six months ago I upgraded to Excedy Clutch plates and replaced left and right Drive Shafts. The car is run by Castrol Edge 10W-40 lubricant. Its got a very smooth engine, my car does - 2nd gear - 110kmph 3rd gear - 130 kmph 5th gear - 175 kmph However from past 6-7 months the car is very low in breaking. I just changed the Break pads (Front & Rear), Break lining, Break Caliber, break boosters (this is what my mechanic told me). Inspite of replacing those parts breaks are still very low. Iam now really scared driving at high speeds because it does stop Friends please suggest me what else i need to repalce or what could be suspected problem
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3rd March 2009, 01:42	#5
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	just bleed the brakes properly. if you have changed that much parts.
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3rd March 2009, 10:11	#8
CaliforniaKnight BHPian Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: IND + DXB Posts: 981 Thanked: 293 Times View My Garage	1996 esteems tend to have weaker brakes as compared to the 1998 mY' cars. Since you changed almost everything to new, you should have in the first place changed them to the 1998 one's wherein they have ventilated disc brakes and is much more efficient. I am not sure if the brake booster is bigger compared to the 1996 cars.
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4th March 2009, 01:29	#11
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	if it doesn't leaks there is no need to replace wheel cylinder. Bleeding mean, to remove air bubble from brake lines. WHen you open up brakes its a must to fill the reservoir and line with new fluid and remove air bubbles from the system.
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24th April 2009, 23:13	#13
alexnazim BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 90 Thanked: 0 Times	You should try going for performance brakes. Something like the ventilated discs. Also get discs in the rear if you have that kind of money.
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