Engine lag ?

smreddy · 31st December 2009, 17:28

I have June 2006 VIVA CRDI put a mileage of 47700. Today i went a car dealer to check a valuation of my car, to my surprise he quoted me a price of 3.5+lac and was saying that there is a engine lag already, so there can be a potential problems. So he quoted that much. But till date i have not had any single issue with the engine.

Can some one tell me what exactly is this engine lag ? Is it wise for me to hold back the car if the deal price as quoted above ? If so then what kind of implications i face with this.

Please advice.

--Srinath

.anshuman · 31st December 2009, 19:06

The dealer is taking you for a ride, there is nothing called engine lag. He is trying to buy your car for less.

vigsom · 31st December 2009, 19:16

He is using your automobile knowledge lag to ensure that he leads

Abbas · 31st December 2009, 19:38

as anshuman said, stay away from the dealer he is just trying to negotiate by showing some or the other issue.

P.S. : Just for info sake, try asking him what engine Lag means? and then put up his reply here on Teambhp.

navin · 31st December 2009, 19:48

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Originally Posted by .anshuman

The dealer is taking you for a ride, there is nothing called engine lag. He is trying to buy your car for less.

Is the car tubro-charged? If so the sales person must have been refering to turbo-lag.

I dont think the CRDI is turbo charged but cars like the Skoda Octy vRS are and there is a small lag after you press the accelerator before the engine develops enough rpms for the turbo to kick in.

smreddy · 31st December 2009, 20:09

I will be going to the same place again to find out what exactly it is because somehow i could not get convinced the way he quoted the price for MY car. This time i will meet some other valuator

@navin: He told this after he opening the bonnet and starting the engine for 2 to 3 times.

As

vdiatech · 31st December 2009, 20:15

he probably meant that the engine is sluggish and not responsive enough. He has used the wrong words. I dont know if this was intentional ?
this is a usual trick to knock the price off.

I agree with others when they ask you stay away from the dealer.

Cars feel different to different users, unless they are brand new. People who get used to their cars for years seldom notice such things. I am one of them. My brother when drives my car, has a few issues, but me no !

McLaren Rulez · 31st December 2009, 20:28

Was he talking about low end performance fading off? So if you're at low revs, the car doesn't accelerate like it used to when new?

aaggoswami · 31st December 2009, 22:25

Starting the car for two to three times cannot give a complete idea about engine's condition. If somebody is an expert, then its a different thing. I have met one person in my life who was younger than me by one year without any automotive qualification, but if you let him hear any noise, he would instantly tell what is wrong. He would start an engine for 2-3 times on ant car/bike and could tell about condition.

Now this is rarity. I doubt that your evaluator has this much indepth knowledge. And if the engine has lower response, there can be many things leading to that.

Either he is trying to make a fool out of you or is using wrong words. That said, the 1.5 3 cylinder units is known to give early issues. Atleast that is what I have seen on more than one place.

As of now, you need not worry and go for second opinion for this, i.e. a different evaluator.

SirAlec · 31st December 2009, 23:55

what he meant, i think is that engine has lost its power over time.

Before being nearly had by him do the following simple test

Please check if you car picks up with third gear easily instead of first.

ph03n!x · 1st January 2010, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

Is the car tubro-charged? If so the sales person must have been refering to turbo-lag.

I dont think the CRDI is turbo charged...

IIRC, the Accent's 3-cylinder CRDi pot generates about 85 BHP - is that without a turbo-charger??!

Shan2nu · 1st January 2010, 02:21

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IIRC, the Accent's 3-cylinder CRDi pot generates about 85 BHP - is that without a turbo-charger??!

Yup, the Viva crdi was turbocharged. It produces 187nm from a 1.5 block which is just too high for a NA diesel engine to produce.

Hyundai Accent VIVA CRDi Specifications - CarWale.com

So the guys was prob refering to turbo lag.

Shan2nu

McLaren Rulez · 1st January 2010, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

Yup, the Viva crdi was turbocharged. It produces 187nm from a 1.5 block which is just too high for a NA diesel engine to produce.

Hyundai Accent VIVA CRDi Specifications - CarWale.com

So the guys was prob refering to turbo lag.

Shan2nu

But that's an inherent characterisitic of the car. How can that reduce its value in the used car market or hint at possible problems?

Shan2nu · 1st January 2010, 12:11

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But that's an inherent characterisitic of the car. How can that reduce its value in the used car market or hint at possible problems?

One possibility is that if the engine compression pressure has reduced over the years, it might affect exhaust velocity, causing the turbo to kick in at a higher rpm and reduce the overall effectiveness of the turbocharger.

So maybe if the car goes throught a complete checkup at a Hyundai service station, it might reveal any issues, if there are any.

Shan2nu

31st December 2009, 17:28	#1
smreddy Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 24 Thanked: 0 Times	Engine lag ? I have June 2006 VIVA CRDI put a mileage of 47700. Today i went a car dealer to check a valuation of my car, to my surprise he quoted me a price of 3.5+lac and was saying that there is a engine lag already, so there can be a potential problems. So he quoted that much. But till date i have not had any single issue with the engine. Can some one tell me what exactly is this engine lag ? Is it wise for me to hold back the car if the deal price as quoted above ? If so then what kind of implications i face with this. Please advice. --Srinath
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31st December 2009, 19:06	#2
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,078 Times View My Garage	The dealer is taking you for a ride, there is nothing called engine lag. He is trying to buy your car for less.
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vigsom Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NSEW Posts: 3,865 Thanked: 27,537 Times	He is using your automobile knowledge lag to ensure that he leads
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31st December 2009, 19:38	#4
Abbas BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Visakhapatnam Posts: 466 Thanked: 547 Times View My Garage	as anshuman said, stay away from the dealer he is just trying to negotiate by showing some or the other issue. P.S. : Just for info sake, try asking him what engine Lag means? and then put up his reply here on Teambhp.
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31st December 2009, 20:09	#6
smreddy Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 24 Thanked: 0 Times	I will be going to the same place again to find out what exactly it is because somehow i could not get convinced the way he quoted the price for MY car. This time i will meet some other valuator @navin: He told this after he opening the bonnet and starting the engine for 2 to 3 times. As
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31st December 2009, 20:15	#7
vdiatech BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 414 Thanked: 10 Times	he probably meant that the engine is sluggish and not responsive enough. He has used the wrong words. I dont know if this was intentional ? this is a usual trick to knock the price off. I agree with others when they ask you stay away from the dealer. Cars feel different to different users, unless they are brand new. People who get used to their cars for years seldom notice such things. I am one of them. My brother when drives my car, has a few issues, but me no ! Last edited by vdiatech : 31st December 2009 at 20:33.
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31st December 2009, 20:28	#8
McLaren Rulez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mysore Posts: 3,415 Thanked: 5,254 Times	Was he talking about low end performance fading off? So if you're at low revs, the car doesn't accelerate like it used to when new?
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31st December 2009, 22:25	#9
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,987 Thanked: 2,965 Times	Starting the car for two to three times cannot give a complete idea about engine's condition. If somebody is an expert, then its a different thing. I have met one person in my life who was younger than me by one year without any automotive qualification, but if you let him hear any noise, he would instantly tell what is wrong. He would start an engine for 2-3 times on ant car/bike and could tell about condition. Now this is rarity. I doubt that your evaluator has this much indepth knowledge. And if the engine has lower response, there can be many things leading to that. Either he is trying to make a fool out of you or is using wrong words. That said, the 1.5 3 cylinder units is known to give early issues. Atleast that is what I have seen on more than one place. As of now, you need not worry and go for second opinion for this, i.e. a different evaluator.
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31st December 2009, 23:55	#10
SirAlec Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: zxc Posts: 3,395 Thanked: 727 Times	what he meant, i think is that engine has lost its power over time. Before being nearly had by him do the following simple test Please check if you car picks up with third gear easily instead of first.
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