Failed Engine Double Crank Preventer, or Whatever The Name Is!

dhanushs · 22nd June 2010, 19:16

My Ford IKON Flair had an 'Engine Double Crank Preventer' (I'm not sure its called by this name

). Well, the function of it is to stop the engine being cranked again after being cranked once, thereby saving damage to the starting motor brushes, alternator etc. It does this by preventing the key to be turned two times in a row towards the cranking position. If you crank once and if your car doesn't start, you will have to turn the key all the way towards the off position and crank again, so that it makes sure that the engine is turned off before cranking again.

However today I discovered that this lock, preventer or whatever it is named, is not working and my car could be cranked as many as times needed without actually turning off the engine. I need that lock very much, as my dad and wife drive my car and they sometimes do not notice the engine running and crank again which could result in major damage. This has happened many times in my previous car's but not in this because of the lock/preventer.

1. Does anyone know if there is a DIY for repairing it?.
2. How much will it cost for replacing it in A.S.S
3. What could be the sudden cause of failure?

dhanushs · 24th June 2010, 00:11

hey, doesn't any one know anything about this?

PAVAN KADAM · 24th June 2010, 00:25

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Originally Posted by dhanushs

hey, doesn't any one know anything about this?

There is no DIY solution to this problem.

I advice you to buy a new ignition set and replace it on your Ikon. Its a great safety feature installed by Ford, dont do otherwise.

The cost of ignition kit should be anywhere between Rs.1200/- to Rs. 2000/- , MINDA also makes them.

Keep us updated.

CrackedHead · 24th June 2010, 00:33

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Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

There is no DIY solution to this problem.

I advice you to buy a new ignition set and replace it on your Ikon. Its a great safety feature installed by Ford, dont do otherwise.

The cost of ignition kit should be anywhere between Rs.1200/- to Rs. 2000/- , MINDA also makes them.

Keep us updated.

But then the "key" for the ignition will not match the key for the doors. You will have to carry two keys or change the entire set of locks. Could be expensive.

PAVAN KADAM · 24th June 2010, 00:47

A complete lock set, including all door locks,should be worth around Rs.2500/-

Its better to spend this money than spend Rs 9800/- for a failed starter.

dhanushs · 24th June 2010, 20:04

Would changing the entire lock set disable my keyless entry?. I guess I will have to reinstall my keyless entry??..

Also I would like to know what could be the reason the failure of that safety feature?. Any suggestions?

pulsar56 · 24th June 2010, 20:14

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Originally Posted by dhanushs

Would changing the entire lock set disable my keyless entry?. I guess I will have to reinstall my keyless entry??..

I don't think changing the entire lock set will have any kind of impact on the key less entry system. The remote lock/key less entry is controlled by a separate module and has nothing to do with the locks.

Get this done at a A.S.S only as in case there is a immobilizer, the codes might need to be changed. (not sure about this though!)

lohithrao · 24th June 2010, 20:18

danush, try lubricating the lock , this should help due to the rains at times this can happen. last week even i had problem in starting the car.

dhanushs · 25th June 2010, 12:52

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Originally Posted by lohithrao

danush, try lubricating the lock , this should help due to the rains at times this can happen. last week even i had problem in starting the car.

Hey, lohithrao, thanks for your suggestion. but then, my problem is its too easy to start the car twice

. Actually this makes my dad and wife crank two times unknowingly, and this fries all the starting mechanisms.

The lock which prevented the car from being cranked twice has just disappeared, and I'm looking for a reason for this to happen. Atleast i can prevent it next time.

sgiitk · 25th June 2010, 15:03

Reminds me of functionally the same feature in my Ford Escort in the UK in the early 70's. There was no fancy electronics, etc in those days. If you cranked the engine once you had to switch the ignition to Off before you could crank it again. Functionally the same thing!

msaudf · 25th June 2010, 16:15

I have to agree with lohithrao. the lock that prevents double turning of the key could be stuck due to moisture and dust accumulation, you could simply solve it by lubrication. why not give it a try than spend thousands of rupees?

dhanushs · 25th June 2010, 23:06

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Originally Posted by msaudf

I have to agree with lohithrao. the lock that prevents double turning of the key could be stuck due to moisture and dust accumulation, you could simply solve it by lubrication. why not give it a try than spend thousands of rupees?

Sorry msaudf & lohithrao, I guess I missed the point. Will clean it up. lubricate it. Also will keep you guys updated.

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dhanushs Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,282 Thanked: 10,180 Times	Failed Engine Double Crank Preventer, or Whatever The Name Is! My Ford IKON Flair had an 'Engine Double Crank Preventer' (I'm not sure its called by this name ). Well, the function of it is to stop the engine being cranked again after being cranked once, thereby saving damage to the starting motor brushes, alternator etc. It does this by preventing the key to be turned two times in a row towards the cranking position. If you crank once and if your car doesn't start, you will have to turn the key all the way towards the off position and crank again, so that it makes sure that the engine is turned off before cranking again. However today I discovered that this lock, preventer or whatever it is named, is not working and my car could be cranked as many as times needed without actually turning off the engine. I need that lock very much, as my dad and wife drive my car and they sometimes do not notice the engine running and crank again which could result in major damage. This has happened many times in my previous car's but not in this because of the lock/preventer. 1. Does anyone know if there is a DIY for repairing it?. 2. How much will it cost for replacing it in A.S.S 3. What could be the sudden cause of failure?
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dhanushs Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,282 Thanked: 10,180 Times	hey, doesn't any one know anything about this?
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PAVAN KADAM BANNED Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NAMMA BENGALURU Posts: 5,602 Thanked: 2,549 Times	A complete lock set, including all door locks,should be worth around Rs.2500/- Its better to spend this money than spend Rs 9800/- for a failed starter.
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dhanushs Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,282 Thanked: 10,180 Times	Would changing the entire lock set disable my keyless entry?. I guess I will have to reinstall my keyless entry??.. Also I would like to know what could be the reason the failure of that safety feature?. Any suggestions?
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lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	danush, try lubricating the lock , this should help due to the rains at times this can happen. last week even i had problem in starting the car.
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sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	Reminds me of functionally the same feature in my Ford Escort in the UK in the early 70's. There was no fancy electronics, etc in those days. If you cranked the engine once you had to switch the ignition to Off before you could crank it again. Functionally the same thing!
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msaudf BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cochin Posts: 269 Thanked: 163 Times	I have to agree with lohithrao. the lock that prevents double turning of the key could be stuck due to moisture and dust accumulation, you could simply solve it by lubrication. why not give it a try than spend thousands of rupees?
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