Ford Fusion TDCI Test Driven

abhibh · 22nd July 2007, 13:11

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Originally Posted by GeekSrik

swift sedan? am i missing something??

Geek there are some spy pics of the sedan on forum too. Swift Sedan will replace Esteem.

Nice review buddy. Frankly i would never test drive it coz its the same car with Diesel engine whose refinements will be same as FIESTA and is costing a BOMB....

jkdas · 22nd July 2007, 13:34

Neat review.

If it costs 7.6 lac thers then it would cost 8lac up here in S.India ! Ford? hello?

Vid6639 · 22nd July 2007, 13:42

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Originally Posted by jkdas

Neat review.

Ford? hello?

Hello, I'm sorry we cannot take your call right now. Rest assured we are not listening to you on the fusion's high price tag. We have incorporated several high end features in the car like a smaller rear bumper enabling us to pocket the excise benefits.

Thanking you for your support. We hope you are silly enough to buy the Fusion diesel.

We will continue to make mistakes on pricing our cars in the future thereby depriving you of our wonderful products.

LOL!!! seriously they have a perfect package and they messed up the pricing sorry for the above timepass. No offence to any fusion owners.

arif_t01 · 22nd July 2007, 14:00

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Originally Posted by vid6639

seriously they have a perfect package and they messed up the pricing

Exactly my thought!

I seriously hope they have the sense to reduce the price of Fusion, both Petrol and Diesel by an equal amount, say about 70K

rajneeesh · 22nd July 2007, 22:55

Ford needs to learn something from Maruti. They took the trouble to shorten the car to make it fit the small car norm, fitted the 1.4 TDCI engine ( took them over 18 months to do make these small changes) and when the car buying public thought that Ford may turn the Fusion into a success the second time round trust Ford to shoot themselves in the foot.

Pray tell me why will some one pay 90 K extra for the Fusin Diesel over the petrol version. It will take tham more than 3- 4 yers to recover the additional investment.

This way probably they will sell an additiona 200 odd Fusions a month( much like the old over priced Fiat Palio Diesel). had they priced it 60- 70 K lower they would easily have given the Indigo and the Logan a run for their money.

Baby steps is what Ford is taking whereas it is the time to take purposeful strides to establish itself as a serous player in the Indian Market. GM is surely win this battle with their Detroit rival as they finally seem to have got their India strategy better ( not perfect mind you) with a slew of new launches which te market seems to be taking note of.

thommydotcom · 23rd July 2007, 08:01

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Originally Posted by coolspeed

Ex showroom price of Fusion 1.6 = 5.76 L

At 24% excise duty, the cost pattern would be 4.65 L manufactured cost and 1.11 L excise duty.

With the modifications, being qualified for the concessional duty, the pattern would be (assuming same petrol engine) 4.65 L + 0.74 L duty = Rs Rs.5.39 L.

Since the modern diesels command a premium of 1 L over corresponding petrols 5.39 + 1 L = 6.39 L, which is approx the same as the pricing of Fusion Tdci. The excise benefit of around 37 K seems to have been passed on to the buyer.

Hence the case actually seems to one of correct pricing of the diesel variant but over the incorrectly overpriced petrol.

With that reasoning shouldn't we also get a 1.6 petrol engine add-on..

kumarravindra · 23rd July 2007, 10:46

The price of 1.4Diesel FiestaSXI is Rs.84,000 plus on 1.6Petrol FiestaSXI, but the price of 1.4Diesel Fusion is Rs.89,000 plus on 1.6Petrol Fusion,ex-show room New Delhi, and where excise benefit available to vehicles below 4000mm length has gone (of Rs.45000 approx.).

abhilashvk · 23rd July 2007, 11:12

I love Ford Funsion - the looks. the excellent GC and the goodies that come with it. However I cannot digest the price and the front seats. I was under the assumption that Ford Fusion Diesel which is meant to do lot more mileage will have comfy front seats. I think they have compromised and still have those tiny uncomfortable ones.

lohithrao · 23rd July 2007, 11:12

Great review...

Definately an overpriced vehicle...

nitrous · 23rd July 2007, 11:15

With the small car excise sop, Ford should price the petrol and diesel almost equally like what Skoda had done with the octavia at launch.
This would have worked wonders.

RacingForIndia · 23rd July 2007, 12:22

Spoke to a sales man from one of the Ford show rooms; he said that the car is doomed before the launch, reason being the pricing strategy. He is not too pleased about it and believes that Ford has over priced it.

VBV · 23rd July 2007, 15:08

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Originally Posted by coolspeed

Since the modern diesels command a premium of 1 L over corresponding petrols 5.39 + 1 L = 6.39 L,

But is this a fair assumption?
Swift VDI is priced at 60,000 over the VXI model. Now, if the DDiS does not command the 1L premium, is the TDCi worth a lakh more?

phamilyman · 23rd July 2007, 15:45

@abhibh: Any news of the esteem DDiS? That should be a good buy.

snaronikar · 26th July 2007, 18:57

There will be no Esteem DDiS (I hope). They might be planning to bring in Swift DDis instead. They will plonk in between Swift DDis and SX4 models or in between SX4 vxi and zxi. Otherwise, it will be vry difficult to MUL to sell this car as it will be competing with others in the same segment. This is my assumption.

Firebird · 26th July 2007, 19:47

Why the heck pay 2 lakhs more for a hatchback (cross-over) when you have some good options available.

7.75 on-road mumbai, no abs / airbags - no options. No alloys , no cd player. The list goes on.

So Ford wants us to pay 25K for alloys + 30 for ICE + seat covers + both side coating....how much an individual should pay to get it into shape more 60k??

No way...Keep away.

22nd July 2007, 13:34	#17
jkdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thiruvananthapu Posts: 9,685 Thanked: 1,497 Times View My Garage	Neat review. If it costs 7.6 lac thers then it would cost 8lac up here in S.India ! Ford? hello?
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22nd July 2007, 22:55	#20
rajneeesh Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: noida Posts: 1,121 Thanked: 561 Times	Ford needs to learn something from Maruti. They took the trouble to shorten the car to make it fit the small car norm, fitted the 1.4 TDCI engine ( took them over 18 months to do make these small changes) and when the car buying public thought that Ford may turn the Fusion into a success the second time round trust Ford to shoot themselves in the foot. Pray tell me why will some one pay 90 K extra for the Fusin Diesel over the petrol version. It will take tham more than 3- 4 yers to recover the additional investment. This way probably they will sell an additiona 200 odd Fusions a month( much like the old over priced Fiat Palio Diesel). had they priced it 60- 70 K lower they would easily have given the Indigo and the Logan a run for their money. Baby steps is what Ford is taking whereas it is the time to take purposeful strides to establish itself as a serous player in the Indian Market. GM is surely win this battle with their Detroit rival as they finally seem to have got their India strategy better ( not perfect mind you) with a slew of new launches which te market seems to be taking note of.
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23rd July 2007, 10:46	#22
kumarravindra Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dhanbad Posts: 1 Thanked: 0 Times	Dishonest Ford The price of 1.4Diesel FiestaSXI is Rs.84,000 plus on 1.6Petrol FiestaSXI, but the price of 1.4Diesel Fusion is Rs.89,000 plus on 1.6Petrol Fusion,ex-show room New Delhi, and where excise benefit available to vehicles below 4000mm length has gone (of Rs.45000 approx.).
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23rd July 2007, 11:12	#23
abhilashvk BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore/Calic Posts: 367 Thanked: 32 Times View My Garage	I love Ford Funsion - the looks. the excellent GC and the goodies that come with it. However I cannot digest the price and the front seats. I was under the assumption that Ford Fusion Diesel which is meant to do lot more mileage will have comfy front seats. I think they have compromised and still have those tiny uncomfortable ones.
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23rd July 2007, 11:12	#24
lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,203 Thanked: 226 Times View My Garage	Great review... Definately an overpriced vehicle...
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23rd July 2007, 11:15	#25
nitrous Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: UAE/Lon/Madras Posts: 6,964 Thanked: 333 Times View My Garage	With the small car excise sop, Ford should price the petrol and diesel almost equally like what Skoda had done with the octavia at launch. This would have worked wonders.
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23rd July 2007, 12:22	#26
RacingForIndia BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 483 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	Spoke to a sales man from one of the Ford show rooms; he said that the car is doomed before the launch, reason being the pricing strategy. He is not too pleased about it and believes that Ford has over priced it.
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23rd July 2007, 15:45	#28
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,975 Thanked: 4,673 Times	@abhibh: Any news of the esteem DDiS? That should be a good buy.
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26th July 2007, 18:57	#29
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 31 Times View My Garage	There will be no Esteem DDiS (I hope). They might be planning to bring in Swift DDis instead. They will plonk in between Swift DDis and SX4 models or in between SX4 vxi and zxi. Otherwise, it will be vry difficult to MUL to sell this car as it will be competing with others in the same segment. This is my assumption.
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26th July 2007, 19:47	#30
Firebird BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai / EC1M 3NH Posts: 469 Thanked: 66 Times View My Garage	Why the heck pay 2 lakhs more for a hatchback (cross-over) when you have some good options available. 7.75 on-road mumbai, no abs / airbags - no options. No alloys , no cd player. The list goes on. So Ford wants us to pay 25K for alloys + 30 for ICE + seat covers + both side coating....how much an individual should pay to get it into shape more 60k?? No way...Keep away.
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