Another Baleno joins BBC : Thanks to Catamaran

mclaren1885 · 13th May 2009, 18:36

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Originally Posted by crazydiablo

This is the first time I got to drive an older baleno at length. So the difference was stark. I had heard about the difference before but I was more like how much can 3bhp difference make. Its more than just number, its the way engine responded that is surprising.

Its not just the 3bhp difference. The first lot came with the original jap engines. Maybe they were made to ensure very less tolerances unlike the later ones made here. Different positioning of cat con, different mapping on the new ECU etc slowed the car down. I think the main reason is mapping. Wonder what difference a E III car would have with a E II ecu.

fieroid · 13th May 2009, 18:40

Was the Baleno engine made locally in India? I thought it was all jap made. They didnt have the numbers to produce them locally, did they? Cosmetics I agree.

crazydiablo · 13th May 2009, 18:42

Yes lots of difference including the no. of cat cons, header design etc. But on paper there was only a 3bhp difference. ECU wiring is also different I think and EII ECU might not work on the EIII because of the some additional inputs which are there in EIII for emissions.

Less work to do on the older balenos. They might respond better to mods also, only time will tell.

mclaren1885 · 13th May 2009, 18:44

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Originally Posted by fieroid

Was the Baleno engine made locally in India? I thought it was all jap made. They didnt have the numbers to produce them locally, did they? Cosmetics I agree.

Was told by the guys at RNS that the engines were now being made locally. That is how the swift ends up with the baleno head since production costs for a new head design would add up costs. I could be wrong though, just stating what I was told.

E III ecu came with EGR. Cant remember if there were any other differences. Karthik would be a better person to ask.

crazydiablo · 13th May 2009, 19:03

Even I doubt if the engines are locally made. Again I dont have any solid info. Anyways instead of trying an EII ECU its better to go aftermarket and correct the fueling.

iceman91 · 13th May 2009, 19:42

the baleno and swift heads are not the same.

mclaren1885 · 13th May 2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by iceman91

the baleno and swift heads are not the same.

Are you sure Amit? Not only did the company guys mention this, but so did some very well known tuners in India. The swift basically has a baleno head with a slightly wilder cam profile. Its been mentioned several times before too on the forum on other threads.

crazydiablo · 13th May 2009, 20:09

yeah we have had this discussion before. Especially on swift mods with 1.6 engine thread.

fieroid · 13th May 2009, 20:09

From what I know the heads of the G13B and the G16B are the same, Same valve sizes and ports. Donno if its visually any different. In engine production, mostly the engine components are all assembled into one piece and then shipped for fitment in the engine bay. They cant produce the head in India and the bottom abroad.
Among the G series engines, only the G10B and G13B were produced in India coz they had numbers. The G10B was only sold in the Zen but it had numbers and that engine line was made for over a decade. G16B was only in the Baleno, but not enough numbers to import dyes and cast them here locally.

I too prefer the pre 2005 balenos, good fun to drive. But no climate control. The post 2005 ones look refreshing but lack on power. What a compromise.

@Crazyd - You collecting Balenos eh. Lucky fella.

crazydiablo · 13th May 2009, 20:51

I dont find much difference in looks except for the rear tail lights. Joel this ones for a close friend of mine, you have met Anish at the track I believe.

fieroid · 13th May 2009, 21:08

Oh ya, that blue RD guy from KL. Yes yes I did.
Good going.

crazydiablo · 13th May 2009, 22:20

Nope, the guy who was riding the RXZ with me on the track.

premdiv · 14th May 2009, 07:11

Enjoy the baleno stable..............

fieroid · 14th May 2009, 14:17

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Originally Posted by crazydiablo

Nope, the guy who was riding the RXZ with me on the track.

ok, got it! Ya i remember now.

crazydiablo · 14th May 2009, 18:34

Another strange observation, the car is running hotter than my modded car. This is really strange because mine should be running hotter since its running high compression and other mods.

Are pre EIII baleno hotter than the later ones? this belies logic. Car does not seem to have overheating but needle is on the higher side that all.

13th May 2009, 18:40	#17
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 306 Times	Was the Baleno engine made locally in India? I thought it was all jap made. They didnt have the numbers to produce them locally, did they? Cosmetics I agree.
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13th May 2009, 18:42	#18
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Yes lots of difference including the no. of cat cons, header design etc. But on paper there was only a 3bhp difference. ECU wiring is also different I think and EII ECU might not work on the EIII because of the some additional inputs which are there in EIII for emissions. Less work to do on the older balenos. They might respond better to mods also, only time will tell.
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13th May 2009, 19:03	#20
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Even I doubt if the engines are locally made. Again I dont have any solid info. Anyways instead of trying an EII ECU its better to go aftermarket and correct the fueling.
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13th May 2009, 19:42	#21
iceman91 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: melbourne/banga Posts: 1,961 Thanked: 36 Times View My Garage	the baleno and swift heads are not the same.
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13th May 2009, 20:09	#23
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	yeah we have had this discussion before. Especially on swift mods with 1.6 engine thread.
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13th May 2009, 20:51	#25
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	I dont find much difference in looks except for the rear tail lights. Joel this ones for a close friend of mine, you have met Anish at the track I believe.
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13th May 2009, 21:08	#26
fieroid BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 706 Thanked: 306 Times	Oh ya, that blue RD guy from KL. Yes yes I did. Good going.
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13th May 2009, 22:20	#27
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Nope, the guy who was riding the RXZ with me on the track.
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14th May 2009, 07:11	#28
premdiv BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 164 Thanked: 2 Times	Enjoy the baleno stable..............
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14th May 2009, 18:34	#30
crazydiablo BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore/San Francisco Posts: 854 Thanked: 28 Times View My Garage	Another strange observation, the car is running hotter than my modded car. This is really strange because mine should be running hotter since its running high compression and other mods. Are pre EIII baleno hotter than the later ones? this belies logic. Car does not seem to have overheating but needle is on the higher side that all.
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