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1) Ok, lets say they are giving quality, but then what about heart of the car. By GTO's review it was clear that the motor is not that good, may be because it is hauling too much weight for its size, but then after paying Rs. 8 lakh, I dont think that this is a good compromise. What if Maruti comes up with Swift powered by Wagon R motor with very high quality interiors, etc.
Will we appreciate that car even for Rs. 7 lakhs OTR ?

2) We also pay for the engine, but do we get that ? I think they must have come up with 1.4. Perfect capacity for that car with performance to match its price and the image Honda is trying to create for this car.

3) It all depends upon the definition of " pefect city car " and this varies from person to person, city to city.
i10 1.2 AT is a better city car IMHO. With the traffic conditions getting very very bad, its better to have a smaller hatch with AT.
If its upto parking, I think Wagon R, Ritz, I10 are smaller so they will handle these things better.
The point I am trying to make is that for its size, I20 is almost as good as a city car with cars like Swift, etc scoring higher ( for me ).
About exclusivity in this segment, I think Fabia is best example of terming failure as exclusivity.

For the same price, I would have SX4. Better GC, wider A.S & S. network, more space and bigger boot + peace of mind ( for being sure that cost and service wont cost much under the pretext of " Premium Ultra High Quality "). ANHC ( G3HC) spares are quite expensive, so I wonder how will this better quality product from Honda will fare.


These cars sell in very less numbers, so the base itself is not as large as Alto/Wagon R, etc.
But one must agree that issues are generally not reported by these car owners.

Can someone compare and tell if the cabin space of ANHC and Jazz are the same? In case of Ford, the Fusion was wider then Fiesta and had lot more spacious inside.

Exterior width is same at 1695 but wheelbase of ANHC is 50 mm longer. Also, in the rear seat, the backrest looks more reclined in ANHC.

From what i read from todays papers, honda ceo said that they have tried to create a new segment called B+(+) to position jazz as a premium hatchback. Think it is the only car that is going to be placed in that segment for years to come................:deadhorse

If they had introduced jazz with 1.4 they would have priced it at 13 L ( ex-showroom) in competiton with civic :D

Agreed Zappo. But then, each car is judged relative to what the competition is offer. I've always considered the i20 overpriced for the 1.2 engine, now it looks like a steal (1.2 lakhs cheaper + more features than an Accord).

That's precisely why they did away with the Opel brand name entirely.

For 50,000 more, the City gives you:

1. A 1.5 liter engine & 27 more horses. The City is a great highway car too, the Jazz competent only within the city. By any measure of performance, the City is superior.

2. The City has an advantage in ride quality as well as handling.

3. Automatic available

4. Too early to take a call on this, yet most probably the City will retain its value better when its time for resale.

There is a typo, I think you meant Jazz and not Accord :)

+100 to that, Punzabi.

Giving good Quality (not sure how much more SHOULD it cost) does not mean charging 8.5 - 9 Lacs. Also, by not giving features, & may be the engine as you mentioned, that it gives there in Australia (& may be other countries) but does not give in India though charging the cost which is same or even higher than other countries, what is Honda thinking about Indian Customers - Worshippers or Fools or status-seekers without applying mind or what not?

This is very sad. Extremely sad :Frustrati Its almost as if Honda is being very very rude here. It seems to believe that whatever they do, they command so much "worship" that they'll get away with it & people should think this is how other Car MFRs should do (someone on this thread even suggested that instead of asking Honda to rationalise the Jazz price, Ford & others should be asked to increase their prices & supposedly quality so Honda Price looks rational)

:OTI'm going seriously OT here, can't resist. In one of the movies (Kalia?), Amitabh Bachchan said - "Hum jahan khade hai, Line wahan se shuru hoti hai".

Sadly, Honda would get away with this again as they've a huge following here in India. That would be very sad as that will encourage them more not to give the contents the India customers should be given though charging them Bomb or at par with other country customers.

PS: I've a colleague who bought ANHC recently. He is banging his head why has he bought it & how now Honda made his Sedan ANHC look inferior to Hatch Jazz

To me i20 surely comes as a winner when compared to Jazz. As someone rightly said for a car having around 80% of localization, Honda can never justify its price tag. Agreed it has a brand value but it seems Honda is planning to run their world business by looting Indians.

PS: I still feel there would be 'some' takers for this car at least to boast their so called financial status.

Toyota needs to get yaris hatch/sedan to counter the daylight robbery of Jazz/City.

Then, let's see how much Honda asks for "brand value premium".

As reported by someone, to accomodate the JAZZ Honda would have to discontibue that E model because i wont mind spending 50k more for a IVTEC and the value that sedans offer in India.
There is nothing great in JAZZ over other cars except those "magic seats" lol:

i20 with 80 Bhp is not too slow a performer if we save that much moolah, 10 bhp slower but then Hyundai has a better service network all over india and the features and interiors Jazz makes i20 look a steal

So much of honda bashing has been done on this thread regarding pricing, have never seen that anywhere, even if someone from TBHP buys the car after reading this thread, his hands will tremble while typing initial ownership reports as to what will the others ask him :uncontrol

well its true that the Jazz is highly over priced! i think honda is opening up a new segment by launching jazz.

various countries have different engines in jazz as per the demands and conditions and taxes of those countries.

UK does get the 1.2 ltr engine. uae has 1.5 ltr engine same as city.

with 1.2 ltr engine in india, honda does keep the price on the LOWER side.

its always the circumstances and conditions which are taken into consideration before launching a car.

for example, in uae we dont get hyundai i20! though i10 and i30 are sold here, but no i20!

in europe, there is i20 with 1.2, 1.4 and diesel engines.

yes, people who can afford it, will buy Jazz!

Looks are subjective and Jazz interiors are designed to be more funky compared to the the ANHC, which falls more on 'funtional' side. Other then that, is there anything superior to the Jazz interiors compared to ANHC?

Outstanding review again from GTO.

I will be waiting for all those special / anniversary editions (market speak for pushing a failed product) before even considering the Jazz :D, unless the H badge can pull of a miracle at this price.

Its the way Honda has priced & positioned Jazz. ANHC guys would repent why after spending 9-10 Lacs, they do not get those interiors & 'funky'/ 'functional' equipments

We all should thank Honda for creating a new segment (B++) for Indian buyers. Honda, we salute you!

As a Bhpian from Australia mentioned on this thread, In Australia, Honda gave a 1.4 engine & whole lot of features in jazz, and charging the same price as in India.
And here in India, they are giving a meagre 1.2 engine with less equipments, 77% localization and they have the audacity to price it 7 - 8 lacs!
This is nothing but plain duping!