[2000rpm]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Or should we consider getting a second car for the city(I wish Goldberg could do this, but we need an automatic just for the city, can do manual everywhere else)? Just to give you perspective, we will be stretching our finances quite a bit to do this.

I think you have missed the Innova Crysta.

For your kinda usage, the Crysta makes perfect sense.

[rakesh_r]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Can someone from Bangalore with a single car garage and having a bs6 diesel(Safari/Harrier/XUV700)? Do Jeeps also face DPF issues like a Mahindra(I have not heard or seen any)?
Or should we consider getting a second car for the city

I survived with a single car, a Force Gurkha BS6 until last year had to get a preowned Wagon R to ferry my then pregnant wifey as the Gurkha was proving to be cumbersome for her comfort.
Although, I haven't faced any DPF issues, its the recent developments on banning the Diesel cars that is worrying me. Happened in Delhi, may happen in Mumbai (recent HC hearing), will definitely happen in Bengaluru. For peace of mind, better to get a Petrol AT, XUv 700 should fit your requirement.

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

I think you have missed the Innova Crysta.

For your kinda usage, the Crysta makes perfect sense.

But the Crysta sadly doesn't come with an AT.

[bigDaddy_In]

Originally Posted by mk600

The Management listens at Mahindra, but the Service Advisor can be a hit or miss in either in Mahindra or in Honda. I hate when the Mahindra returns my service car unwashed.

I am very particular about getting my car serviced. I get it done on my off day when I can stand at the bay to keep an eye on what is done. The service guys allow me as I've built that relationship. I reach before they open shop and I am out by 12 PM. Sometimes I ask them to do more than what is standard SOP (like changing gear shifter bushes which the service advisor was unaware of, changing air filter every 5k Kms, cabin filter every 10k kms). I take my car to Yelahanka from Whitefield(40kms) to get it serviced because everyone at the workshop knows us(me and my car). Also, I ask them to not do the car wash and get it done from outside before taking the car for service, as Bangalore has a rule of waterless wash which does not work at all.

I am sure I will not get the same experience with any other mass market brand. But I'd still need a trust worthy advisor and a competent Service engineer. Since Mahindra's service is a hit or a miss, can you start a thread with your experience and share references of people/ASC who did a good job for you.

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

I think you have missed the Innova Crysta.

For your kinda usage, the Crysta makes perfect sense.

Like @rakesh_r said it is out because of no AT options.

Originally Posted by rakesh_r

But the Crysta sadly doesn't come with an AT.

Affordable 4x4s are all in diesel :(. I so want to get trained by Mahindra Adventure or any other 4x4 academy.

[rakesh_r]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Affordable 4x4s are all in diesel :(. I so want to get trained by Mahindra Adventure or any other 4x4 academy.

How about the Jimny, very much affordable .

[bigDaddy_In]

Originally Posted by rakesh_r

How about the Jimny, very much affordable .

Jimny is a good off road vehicle, but I do not think it has enough power to do 1000+ kms on my regular road trips. + my wife isn't a big fan of it, says it looks like a lego for the grown ups. :|

My idea is to have an all round vehicle for everything. I am considering a small AT hatch(alto/santro/kwid) for that if not a 2 wheeler. No point in commuting in a big car with single occupancy to work.

[NPV]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Jimny is a good off road vehicle, but I do not think it has enough power to do 1000+ kms on my regular road trips. + my wife isn't a big fan of it, says it looks like a lego for the grown ups. :|

My idea is to have an all round vehicle for everything. I am considering a small AT hatch(alto/santro/kwid) for that if not a 2 wheeler. No point in commuting in a big car with single occupancy to work.

Looks can be very deceiving/misleading, especially in the case of the Jimny. You could try and TD the 4x4 automatic.
Yes, the gearbox may not be the super responsive one and neither is the engine too powerful, but it is a fun to drive, very capable, go anywhere vehicle with a small form factor that fits perfectly between a hatch and a bigger SUV. Of course it isn’t a BS 6 Diesel!

[Vinod_nair]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Jimny is a good off road vehicle, my wife isn't a big fan of it, says it looks like a lego for the grown ups. :|

My idea is to have an all round vehicle for everything. I am considering a small AT hatch(alto/santro/kwid) for that if not a 2 wheeler. No point in commuting in a big car with single occupancy to work.

I would suggest the ideal 2 car garage which I have, after we got back to India we're in our mid '60's.

- Nano XTA (AMT)2016 for city and school runs.
- Nexon D XMA (AMT) 2018 with non of the nonsense DPF issues for full family and outstation runs.
- Jupiter 2015 for dawa daru runs.

[Overtune26]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

I am planning to trade my Ford Freestyle TDCi BS4, Goldberg(he/him)(5years and 100k Kms young) for an automatic.

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Or should we consider getting a second car for the city(I wish Goldberg could do this, but we need an automatic just for the city, can do manual everywhere else)? Just to give you perspective, we will be stretching our finances quite a bit to do this.

We too are in same dilemma having an ecosport in our home if we wish to upgrade to an automatic transmission as there is no simple and straightforward option to choose from as nothing matches the reliability, fun to drive aspect, good build, good mileage, and fuss free ownership experience these Ford diesel cars gave us.

So there is no straightforward option available but looking at your requirements these would be recommendations from my side:

1. PRE OWNED ROUTE:
If you are okay going with a pre owned route my recommendation would be to look for a pre worshipped Endeavour which is well maintained and in good condition. If it fits your budget you can definitely consider it and service and spares won't be any issue for quite some time and if Ford makes a comeback it can turn out to be a good bet. It is a reliable vehicle and will somewhat fulfill most of your requirements as it is 4*4 and can be fun to drive.

2. TWO CAR GARAGE:
You can get a cheaper hybrid like (GV or Hyryder) or NA petrol options available in the compact Suv segment for your office duties and get a fun to drive hatch like (Citroen C3 or Fronx Turbo) for fun to drive aspect.

OR
What you can do is get an hybrid or NA petrol for office duties and hold on to your Goldberg for a little longer for everything else.

[bigDaddy_In]

I test drove the Thar Roxx and Scorpio N. Few observations:

• Diesel Engine: Power delivery is similar to my TDCi. I am happy with it.
• Driving Position in Thar Roxx: All round visibility is great. Driver seat is not good enough for a >6' tall person.
• Driving Style: The sense of power is very addictive. Need to keep myself in check.
• Salesperson: Does not know the car they are selling. Focus is on the gizmos without actual knowledge. Very sad state of affair in the automotive market.
• Waiting Period: 72 weeks

I am trying to get help from my contacts at my Ford Dealership(they have Mahindra Dealerships too) to check if the waiting period can be negotiated. But then

[heydj]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

This gives me a lot of confidence. (:



Thanks for your suggestions. Coming from the Ford TDCi, the Jimny would be a big downgrade in terms of power. It's good off-road, but not a highway mile muncher. I am not a big fan of Seltos/Creta either, do not think I can live with something that pretends to be a SUV, but I'll give this idea some time too.



You have roads and hopes of things getting better at least . I do not . Come to Varthur-Panathur bit next time you want to enjoy off-road(do it early morning).

Power is subjective when looking at specs alone, thats what I have realised basis multiple threads in tbhp.

I would suggest look at overall package, budget and let test drive alone be the deciding factor. Also go through post / thread by fellow bhpian 'potive' on how to do test drive.


Dont go by what anyone says about any car as what might be good fit for one may not be for another.

[bigDaddy_In]

Originally Posted by heydj

Dont go by what anyone says about any car as what might be good fit for one may not be for another.

I am trying to get a test drive scheduled since Saturday. They could not make the TD vehicle available yet.

[bigDaddy_In]

Our first of the two cars is getting delivered this Sunday. A MG Comet Exclusive for the city duties

[Livnletcarsliv]

I own a BS6 diesel, and I use it in the city sometimes for 2-3 weeks continuously without any issues or long drive requirements. My commute to the office is 21 km one way. I do it in a max of 60-65 mins.

So here are a few pointers
1. The DFP issue is real, irrespective of the brand. Even a Fortuner is no exception.
2. City traffic is a direct enemy to BS6 diesel. Weekend-long drives can save you from the DPF issues. More precisely, bumper to bumper is the enemy. Fortunately, it is a moving traffic for me and I do a top speed of 70 kmph intermittently. So think twice before buying a diesel for city conditions, especially in Bangalore. Best for city use will be EV.
3. City (slow-moving) traffic is a direct enemy to any dual clutch (DCT, DSG, etc). Best is the torque converter (All big M&M's are only TC).
4. Every model and brand has its pros and cons - Ford is best in handling. Please don't expect a similar experience in other brands. And Ford is not coming back. So move on.
5. If you are so used to that diesel torque, a replacement can only be a diesel or an EV. Since you do long drives and it's a 1-car garage, a diesel is a better choice in 2025. But remember, this will be the last leg of diesel cars. Maybe only till 2030 to sell new diesel cars.
6. Coming to your requirements, there is no diesel sedan in India in <50L. If you only want diesels, then you should only go with Crossovers or SUVs. No SUV/Crossover will give you the handling experience of a small car/sedan, let alone Figo. So this is a compromise you must take care of.
7. Scorpio N and Roxx are go-anywhere, anytime cars compared to other options that you've mentioned. I would recommend Compass as a one car garage because of the expensive maintenance, reliability issues and poor ASS expereince.
8. So, based on your budget, your only options are Scorpio N 4*4, Roxx 4*4, 700 AWD, Gurkha 4*4, etc. If you were happy with your Figo on the bad roads you drive, then for any crossover or SUV, it's a cake walk. So, for your use case, 700 is a better overall car than all of your options, including Compass.

So, take proper TD and decide.

[Bumblebee_red]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

Can someone from Bangalore with a single car garage and having a bs6 diesel(Safari/Harrier/XUV700)?

Hi, I think I qualify to answer based on this criteria. I used to drive a Nexon Petrol MT in Bangalore, had it for little less than 3 years (Nov 2021-Oct 2024) and drove around 25K KMs. I was in the lookout for an AT and wanted a bigger car, so, switched to Harrier. I know I know, trusting TATA is not always looked on very generously by most. But I hadn't faced any issues with my Nexon, so I was ok to have another TATA.

Now, I am driving my Harrier AT (Blizzard) from 30-Nov-24 and completed about 8K KMs. First trip was Assam to Bangalore (2.8K KMs) in 3.5 days. I have also done another couple of highway runs since, Bangalore-Pondi-Bangalore in last week for December and Bangalore-Goa-Bangalore in last week of February. My weekly drive is about 150-200KMs within the city. The only minor complaint (if I may say so) I have is that I need to press the accelerator little harder at times in city traffic to gain speed when there is empty road ahead (on the rarest of instances in Bangalore ). I have topped up DPF twice so far, 1) the service center in my hometown suggested to top it up during the first free service before my long trip of 2.8K KM to ensure it doesn't drop below the recommended level, and 2) before my Goa trip as DPF was showing about 50%. Feel free to ask anything else and I'll be happy to answer.

[narayans80]

Originally Posted by bigDaddy_In

My drive is about 300-400kms per week within city limits(my work is 4kms from home and it takes 45/60mins on a good day

I can't make sense of this. How will you drive 300 km a week if your commute is 8 km round trip?

I do 300-400 km most of the weeks, and in some weeks it can go up to 600-700 even without highway drive. My usage makes me drive 30-60 kph range in the city most of the time. I get to touch 70-80 maybe about 5 or 6 km at most.

Mine is 2.5 years and 83K on clock on my BS6.1 Alcazar. So far I have not run into DPF issues. Mine is a MT though. I have seen some of the AT Hyundai 1.5D counterparts have run into DPF issues, as opposed to MT.

So it is really how your drive is. Plus with a BS6 diesel, you have to be even more careful on how good the pump is. I've been this way from my BS4 diesel S-Cross days, so I didn't have to make any adjustment on that front.

If this doesn't appeal to you, then the hybrids are your only choice.