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Old 6th February 2011, 11:03   #16
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Price of DDiS engine+wiring+ESM is the main concern here I guess. It will cost more than 1L. Totalled DDiS engined cars are going for 2L plus, so getting an engine for <1L will be a challenge here. I have unsuccessfully tried getting one of these at decent prices myself.

1.3 DDiS engine rules the Indian Automotive Market today.

The adapter plate should not be as big an issue, as a host of other engines have already been transplanted into the gypsy till now. If this conversion goes through I would be more worried about the puny little Gypsy clutch plate handling the extra torque produced.

you would be using a king gearbox , hopefully
her clutch is beefy enough if used well
also lots of aftermarket clutches available to handle extra torque
so dont stress over that

gto, u need to try the 1.6 gypsy,
you will never want to drive a 1.3 again
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gto, u need to try the 1.6 gypsy,
you will never want to drive a 1.3 again
Bro, he is talking about 1.3 DDiS Diesel, not the D13BB Petrol. It should have a lot more low end torque than 1.6 Baleno Engine.
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The DDIS has terrible turbo Lag!!!And that is exactly what you dont need when offroading!
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What is the torque figure of DDiS at 500-1500 RPM? That is what matters.
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so the out come of this thread is,

the DDIS is not suitable for offroading.

i guess i have to rethink about my Gypsy.
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the cost of th DDIS engine + wiring + ECM would set you back by a lakh or more add to that the installation and mods required plus the headache.
I am sure the DDIS engine alone would cost a lakh or more. It IS the rashtriya engine right now and will be for a long long time.
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What is the torque figure of DDiS at 500-1500 RPM? That is what matters.
500RPM? Isn't the engine idling set around 800-900RPM.
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500RPM? Isn't the engine idling set around 800-900RPM.
Not for a diesel, I guess.
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so the out come of this thread is,

the DDIS is not suitable for offroading.

i guess i have to rethink about my Gypsy.
@ Nikhil , You can do any modification on anything , the question is will it last long( at least 75000 km of on & off road mixed use ) with reliability

If its your first vehicle ( totally yours ,under your control , not a common family vehicle ) then do up the Gypsy in completely 'Stock' manner . This will be enough for you for a time being as it will give you enough idea as to what exactly you are going to need . Mean while observe & learn on 'this ' platform . So your next vehicle will be your true dream vehicle

Modifications & Ideas are plenty , and if you have enough money & time you can do almost anything . there are no limits .

But the problem is we have limited funds ,Time & resources ( workshops ,mechanics etc ) , So what I will personally prefer is a compromise ,between my dreams & reality.

I would prefer a practical solution , not a fiction

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500RPM? Isn't the engine idling set around 800-900RPM.
Yes idle in Swift is at 800 rpm. AC on it goes to 900.

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Not for a diesel, I guess.
I was just asking for the graph, if someone has it will be interesting to see and then one can decide if it will work for a offroad gypsy.

I feel it will work really well once a beefed up clutch is installed and proper water proofing done for the connectors/sensors.
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Ddis may be a dream powerplant,it will be lighter and offer torque much needed for offroading.
I would like to add that if you jump in for such a project,you should consided other engines as well,1.5crdi,2.2crde,2l cruze or even innova power plant.
You would be paying similar kind of money in market for either of them,few thousant give or take.
You will have to do rest of the work of setting up a drive train and adapter plate anyway,no matter what engine you choose.
Cruze or verna powerplant would be better imo!
And dont even think of putting up a petrol tranny with a diesel mill,sply crdi/crde/ddis.
Gears are designed keeping torque in calculations! 190nm would need every gear to be 3 times stronger.
If you setup gypsy tranny wid ddis,you would encounter frequent broken gear tooth,splly in lower gears,and worn out synchros ,every few thousant km.
And dont worry about waterproofing of sensors and clutch reliability
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I would like to add that if you jump in for such a project,you should consided other engines as well,1.5crdi,2.2crde,2l cruze or even innova power plant.
You would be paying similar kind of money in market for either of them,few thousant give or take.
You will have to do rest of the work of setting up a drive train and adapter plate anyway,no matter what engine you choose.
yes other engines are worth too but the reason for DDIS is the availability of Maruti Genuine Parts & service.

& some of other engines are a little heavy in weight. (2000cc+ ones)

as far as GB is concerned the king 5 speed GB will take care of the added torque of DDIS.
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Jeepster all said and done the ddis is better to the stock 1L or 1.3 for torque. The gear ratios are lower than the swift in the gypsy.. If at all you want more grunt ,then there is the crawler gears which our shanwaz has installed , still you can get more with a remap around 100bhp with 24kgm torque in stage 1 setting.

Lets not even think about stage 2 here. IF you are successful with this setup then you would show us a new engine option for the good old gypsy.
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The MultiJet Diesel mill will chew up your gearbox, transfer case and clutch. Ironically, when it comes to low CC engines, petrol might end up making more shove at really low rpms compared to diesel. From my experience, You need at least a 1.5L diesel mill to get the same kind of low end crawling power you get from a 1.2L or even a 1L petrol.

Why don't you go for a bigger diesel mill, like the 1.5L DCi from the Logan or the old 1.9L from the Uno/Palio diesels? That one was called the 'torque monster' for its ability to lug from very low rpms, and it would be ideal. The problem would be finding an engine in good condition. Parts can probably be imported from places like Brazil.
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