Sony XM-ZR604 amp trips - cause for concern?

rishjt · 27th July 2008, 20:00

Hi everyone,

Config given below -
Pioneer panel
Sony XM-ZR604 4/3 channel amp (600 W)
JBL normal front speakers (not components)
JBL GTS - 963 rear speakers (70 W RMS / 210 W Peak / 4ohms)
JBL CS 1204T 1000W bass tube

The problem I'm facing is that after an hour of continuous operation at a volume of about about 40-45 (max 55 or 60), the amp heats up and starts tripping. Sound comes out only from the front speakers. I'd been advised by the dealer to switch off the deck and put it on after 2 minutes. But the problem still persists. Is there a problem or is this normal?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Rishi

gunbir · 28th July 2008, 01:41

Your gains are probably too high, which is causing the amp to heat up and reach thermal shutdown. Reduce the gain on the amp and ensure your amp is well ventilated. Usually that should be all.

XetaGLGRocks · 28th July 2008, 10:28

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Originally Posted by rishjt

Hi everyone,
The problem I'm facing is that after an hour of continuous operation at a volume of about about 40-45 (max 55 or 60), the amp heats up and starts tripping...

Regards,
Rishi

Could you please post a picture of the amp install location. It may be so that the heat generated is not able to escape.
I had used the same amp earlier, never had similiar problems on high loads.

rishjt · 28th July 2008, 11:59

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Originally Posted by gunbir

Your gains are probably too high, which is causing the amp to heat up and reach thermal shutdown. Reduce the gain on the amp and ensure your amp is well ventilated. Usually that should be all.

Thanks so much for writing in!
This may sound really dumb - but am not sure where is the option for reducing the gains? Through the HU or is it on the amp itself? Also, what should the ideal setting be for the HPF option? And I cannot see any option for configuring LPF - is that how it's supposed to be?

The amp is in the boot - has been screwed onto the back side of the rear seats.

Cheers,
Rishi

esteem_lover · 28th July 2008, 12:11

The amp gain control is found on the amp itself. Where is it installed ? in the boot or under the passenger seat ? Look for a volume control kind of knob, only this has to be done with a screw driver. 60 % should be adequate

rishjt · 28th July 2008, 12:24

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Originally Posted by esteem_lover

The amp gain control is found on the amp itself. Where is it installed ? in the boot or under the passenger seat ? Look for a volume control kind of knob, only this has to be done with a screw driver. 60 % should be adequate

The amp is in the boot - has been screwed onto the back side of the rear seats. Also, what should the ideal setting be for the HPF option? And I cannot see any option for configuring LPF - is that how it's supposed to be?

Bass&Trouble · 28th July 2008, 15:55

Also make sure:

1. You are not running too low an impedance to the amps. Is all your gear running on the amp?

2. You are using adequate gauge and good quality power cabling.

3. The earthing location is a proper one, short cable not more that 18" and firmly secured to a paint and corrosion free point on the chassis.

XetaGLGRocks · 29th July 2008, 11:16

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Originally Posted by rishjt

The amp is in the boot - has been screwed onto the back side of the rear seats. Also, what should the ideal setting be for the HPF option? And I cannot see any option for configuring LPF - is that how it's supposed to be?

As far as I remember, there is no knob for configuring the HPF or LPF. If you turn the switches on, they are prconfigured to 80hz.

As I said earlier, make sure your amp is not connected facing down. Make sure that the gain is not more than 60% for the front and rear channels.
Check the power cable. It should be a a good 8GA cable. The ground cable should be 8GA as well. Check if the grounding cable is in good contact with the body of your car(there should be no paint layer in between).

XetaGLGRocks · 29th July 2008, 11:20

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Originally Posted by rishjt

Thanks so much for writing in!
This may sound really dumb - but am not sure where is the option for reducing the gains? Through the HU or is it on the amp itself? Also, what should the ideal setting be for the HPF option? And I cannot see any option for configuring LPF - is that how it's supposed to be?

The amp is in the boot - has been screwed onto the back side of the rear seats.

Cheers,
Rishi

Rishi, I just checked the configuration of the amp on the Sony Site. It has only LPF. HPF is not there. And as I said, it is not configurable. It is preset to 80Hz

rishjt · 29th July 2008, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

Also make sure:

1. You are not running too low an impedance to the amps. Is all your gear running on the amp?

2. You are using adequate gauge and good quality power cabling.

3. The earthing location is a proper one, short cable not more that 18" and firmly secured to a paint and corrosion free point on the chassis.

Will have to check for points 2 and 3 with the guys who installed it (M.A Car Studio, Grant Road). As for point 1 - the amp is connected to my bass tube and my rear speakers. Guess the front speakers are powered by the HU. Does that sound ok (pardon my ignorance)?

rishjt · 29th July 2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by XetaGLGRocks

Rishi, I just checked the configuration of the amp on the Sony Site. It has only LPF. HPF is not there. And as I said, it is not configurable. It is preset to 80Hz

XetaGLGRocks,

That's funny - coz there is a setting called HPF on my HU - options are 50, 60, 80, 100, 125 Hz .... dunno why this difference!

Also, what should be the ideal setting for the options under EQ - Q1N, Q1W, Q2N and Q2W?

Have attached a pic of the amp and the bass tube - hope they're identifiable in the pic (not too clear).

Cheers

27th July 2008, 20:00	#1
rishjt Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 5 Thanked: 0 Times	Sony XM-ZR604 amp trips - cause for concern? Hi everyone, Config given below - Pioneer panel Sony XM-ZR604 4/3 channel amp (600 W) JBL normal front speakers (not components) JBL GTS - 963 rear speakers (70 W RMS / 210 W Peak / 4ohms) JBL CS 1204T 1000W bass tube The problem I'm facing is that after an hour of continuous operation at a volume of about about 40-45 (max 55 or 60), the amp heats up and starts tripping. Sound comes out only from the front speakers. I'd been advised by the dealer to switch off the deck and put it on after 2 minutes. But the problem still persists. Is there a problem or is this normal? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Rishi
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28th July 2008, 01:41	#2
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,465 Thanked: 33 Times	Your gains are probably too high, which is causing the amp to heat up and reach thermal shutdown. Reduce the gain on the amp and ensure your amp is well ventilated. Usually that should be all.
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28th July 2008, 12:11	#5
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 507 Times View My Garage	The amp gain control is found on the amp itself. Where is it installed ? in the boot or under the passenger seat ? Look for a volume control kind of knob, only this has to be done with a screw driver. 60 % should be adequate
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28th July 2008, 15:55	#7
Bass&Trouble Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bombay Posts: 2,756 Thanked: 135 Times	Also make sure: 1. You are not running too low an impedance to the amps. Is all your gear running on the amp? 2. You are using adequate gauge and good quality power cabling. 3. The earthing location is a proper one, short cable not more that 18" and firmly secured to a paint and corrosion free point on the chassis.
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