As many members may have noticed, we as a corporate own multiple BMW's and I have been an active supporter of BMW and had been recommending their cars over anything else within my company, immediate circle and here, primarily due to the way they have handled service or warranty issues on the cars we own. Many other members have similar positive experiences here as well besides the overall Joy it brings to we petrolheads.
In what probably maybe be a new low for any Automotive manufacturer, BMW India has not approved a battery change on our 4-month-old Brand new 730-D and we have to pay for a new battery and labor charges despite having a 3 year warranty and a complete maintenance package.
Background:
Sometime in the month of August/ September, we were offered a lucrative deal ( at that time) by Gurgaon Dealership Bird Automotive on a 2016 Manufactured Carbon Black 730-D-M variant. I was looking for a change of my older 730-D and we closed the deal and picked the car in the third week of September. Delivery experience was worst than probably a 2 wheeler delivery but being used to picking multiple cars for my company, it was never an occasion but it did feel bad. Sales Advisor had to request the cleaner to click delivery photographs on his cellphone. Before delivery, I had particularly asked the dealership to change Oil, Filter and other consumables as the car was at the factory for almost a Year which they had agreed. Unfortunately, they did not change anything and simply reset the idrive which showed up next service as Sep 2018. I was quite furious and the workshop in charge at Bird Auto will give reasons like nothing happens to oil when the engine is not run and all that. I sent off a mail to BMW India to get involved and ask the dealership to change Oils and reset idrive. At that time I also asked BMW to change Battery proactively as Kit for this particular VIN was of March and given my low usage, it's possible that my battery won't give usual 3 years or so life that we normally get on other cars. After multiple reminders, they instructed Bird to change the Oil but wrote to me that it won't be necessary to change the battery as they take care at the plant and have a charging system in place, though hard to believe but I agreed.
Now, coming to present day, I was away from Car for a couple of weeks ( 4-5) and this Monday, when I tried to unlock the car, it won't open. The local dealership at Chandigarh got the Display Fob picked up from my home for a check but there was no fault with it and asked me to get the regular key to unlock car manually which I got from my Gurgaon office next day but it didn't work either. The local dealership offered to get the car picked and gave a reason of non-usage for a possible discharge. I can understand battery getting discharged in few weeks on a 3-year-old car but not on a 4-month car.
I contacted BMW India on Tuesday, addressing to the same guy who had previously replied, to look into this and authorise a battery change immediately as I had apprehensions on the condition of the battery from the start. They keep mum and my car was sitting in the driveway dead. I waited for an answer next day but nothing, next I address the reminder to GM- Bird Automotive to get involved and help, still nothing,
Today Morning, I took help of local dealership at Chandigarh and got my car started with service battery they carry and then I left the car at the dealership for diagnostics. At evening, they tell me their inability to deliver car today as the Battery is beyond Service but they don't have an approval from BMW and given the long weekend ahead it can take a while. As per local dealership, they asked BMW India multiple times but have not got approval. Now what should be a standard simple warranty claim, they are unable to change the battery on my car until BMW India gives them a go-ahead. Finally, at around 6 30 in evening, I give them the go-ahead to change the battery at my costs.
My car was delivered a while back after Chandigarh dealership raised an invoice for new battery and service charges for replacement.
It's not about the money but the attitude of BMW India support and the Sales Staff at Bird Automotive Gurgaon, I am feeling so bad for my past patronage to such a brand who give a hoot to customers, wonder what rights we as a customer have in this country and it's probably due to our weak laws and the time it takes to get justice that manufacturers can take us for a ride.
Conclusions:
1. Manufacturers, MNC, in particular, behave differently if, under an Indian Leadership, it's definitely not the same BMW we were used to in past.
2. Anyone picking a car with Old Kit or Manufacturing must ask for an Oil Change and a Battery Change before making the payment especially if the Car is of BMW.
3. Bird Automotive officials are least bothered to answer mail or phone calls, the same very guys who will call you at all hours will not even pick your phone calls even if you are stranded, better ignore their deals and pay little extra to someone else who at least can escalate or fight on your behalf with manufacturer.
Complete chain of E-Mails with BMW India and Bird Automobile and Battery + Service Invoice from Chandigarh Dealership
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From: Singh <ra.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 12:53 PM
To: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>, "vidhan.choubey@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <vidhan.choubey@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "anita.raghav@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <anita.raghav@bmw-birdautomotive.in>
Cc: "sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "gurvinder.dhindsa@bmw-krishnaautomobiles.in" <gurvinder.dhindsa@bmw-krishnaautomobiles.in>, Vikramjeet Singh <vikramjeet.singh@bmw-birdautomotive.in>
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld:: Dead Battery :: Car cannot be even unlocked
Dear Mr. Choubey,
Unfortunately, I am not getting any answer from your colleagues / BMW India on this issue of a Battery change. Our 4-month old car is lying struck on driveway at Chandigarh as we cannot even open the car as the battery appears Flat.
We have reserved apprehensions on the state of Battery of 18-month Old Kit at time of purchase itself. Please ask someone to authorize a change of batter immediately.
With Regards
Singh
From: Singh <ra.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 at 5:57 PM
To: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Cc: "sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "gurvinder.dhindsa@bmw-krishnaautomobiles.in" <gurvinder.dhindsa@bmw-krishnaautomobiles.in>
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld:: Dead Battery
Dear Mr. Joshi,
So, it appears whatever you told me was incorrect, I was away for couple of weeks and now my Car will not start, this is into less than 4 months of ownership.
Your Chandigarh Dealership is getting my Car picked tomorrow, I want you to get battery changed without any more reasoning.
With Regards
Singh
From: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 4:53 PM
To: Singh <ra.com>
Cc: "sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in>
Subject: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Mr. Singh,
This is in continuation to your email below.
We have checked the matter with our technical team who in-turn have checked the PDI data of your BMW. We wish to inform you that the battery charging schedule is strictly followed at BMW Plant in Chennai. In your case as well, the PDI report does not indicate any error messages pertaining to discharged battery/low battery from the time of production till PDI. This indicates that the battery condition was good at the time of delivery to you and does not require any replacement as of now. Your dealer will again check the health of the battery whenever the car reports to workshop for engine oil replacement.
We do understand your apprehensions, however, as assured you during our conversation yesterday, should there be an issue, we will do our utmost to assist you.
We hope the above clarifies the matter. In case of any further open points please feel free to contact us or your BMW dealer.
With kind regards,
Rajeev Joshi
BMW India Customer Support
From: Singh <ra.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 18:58
To: Contact.india
Cc:
sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in;
shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Mr. Joshi,
Thanks for your reply, I will coordinate with Dealership. My concerns on battery were due to the lapsed time of around 18 months during which period car was not driven and there is no way to check at what intervals this was charged at your factory. In case this was lying disconnected, then also I lose a year & half of its expected life of around 3 years or so.
Perhaps it will be better if you can authorize a change in battery at this time as well to prevent any issues at later date. Given the number of vehicles I own, it's possible that my running won't be much. I am ok with life of around 3 years or so which I would have surely got irrespective of my driving profile if the battery was new but the same cannot be confirmed for 18 month old battery ( going by manufacturing date of Kit on this VIN as March 2016 )
With Regards
Singh
From: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 6:45 PM
To: Singh <ra@.com>
Cc: "shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <shariq.zubair@bmw-birdautomotive.in>, "sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in" <sunil.chauhan@bmw-birdautomotive.in>
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Mr. Singh,
This is in continuation to your email below, your post on social media website and your subsequent telephonic conversation with the undersigned earlier today. We thank you for the courtesy extended during the call.
As discussed during the call, once the vehicle reports to the workshop, the dealer shall:
1) Replace engine oil and oil filter.
2) Replace the brake fluid.
3) Check the condition of the battery and confirm if a replacement is required or not. As informed, the life of the battery largely depends on the driving profile. For e.g. - too many short trips or long parking periods may result in pre-mature failure of battery. In such a situation, the battery is not covered under the purview of warranty, however, if it is found that the battery has a manufacturing defect, the same shall be replaced as per warranty terms and conditions.
Please be assured that customer satisfaction is of prime importance to us and it is always our endeavor to attain the same. Thank you for bringing the matter to our notice and giving us an opportunity to look into the same.
We once again apologize for the delay in reverting. In case of any further outstanding issues, please feel free to contact us or your BMW dealer directly and we shall be glad to assist you.
@ Shariq - We discussed this topic. Please coordinate with Mr. Singh for scheduling an appointment for carrying out the aforementioned jobs.
With kind regards,
Rajeev Joshi
BMW India Customer Support
From: Singh <ra@.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 14:22
To: Contact.india
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld
Regret for the silence, no one is bothered to address a small but very important issue which can affect my Car badly in future. In the past 7-8 years, I have thoroughly enjoyed owning BMW cars but it appears things are changing for worst.
Anyways, let me take some public opinion on the issue since you have not bothered to answer and see what options are available.
With Regards
Singh
From: Singh <ra@.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 11:51 AM
To: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Cc: "contact@bmw.com" <contact@bmw.com>
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Sir or Madam,
Hope my queries are not that difficult to answer? It's been a fortnight since my original concerns were shared with you.
You gave me a One Year old manufactured car with Old oils and your dealer will simply reset idrive to current date?? Is there any possible justifications to save couple of thousands and ruin the car in long run???
With Regards
Singh
From: Singh <ra@com>
Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 11:22 PM
To: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Subject: Re: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Mr. Joshi,
I have got a call back from my Dealer - Bird to bring the car for an Oil change. I need to know, what all lubes and oils needs to be changed at this time given the fact that car was manufactured a Year ago. Also, the consumables which will get due change say in 3 years, like the brake fluids, are now being set for a change starting 3 years from 2017 and not 2016, can this be still fixed by changing at Dealership level? And the battery, even though its covered under BSI for 3 Years, I believe I have lost 1 year already. So, can you let me know what all things will you recommend to get changed and will it not be appropriate for dealers to do such changes proactively given the high costs of the vehicles and the relatively lower service costs to replace.
With Regards
Singh
From: "Contact.india@bmw.in" <Contact.india@bmw.in>
Date: Friday, October 6, 2017 at 8:13 AM
To: Singh <ra@com>
Subject: Your BMW 730Ld
Dear Mr. Singh,
We acknowledge the receipt of your email and are in the process of consulting the matter with your BMW Authorised dealer, Bird Automotive. Please allow us sometime to revert to you with our feedback on the matter.
Request your patience and understanding in the meantime.
With kind regards,
Rajeev Joshi
BMW India Customer Support
From: Singh <ra@.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 20:42
To: Contact.india
Subject: Missing Oil & Lubricant Changes on new 730-LD manufactured in September 2016:: VIN - WBA7G47010G358994
Dear Sir or Madam,
We took delivery of a Brand new 730-D from your Gurgaon dealership - Bird as per enclosed Invoice last week. This car was manufactured in Sept 2016 and was delivered with 13 Km ODO reading.
Now as per BMW India service schedule, Engine oils must be changed after 12 months and same holds true for other fluids like brake oil etc at other regular intervals. Now ideally your dealership should have changed the fluids before delivery during PDI given the lapsed time since the car was manufactured but unfortunately, they have merely reset everything and now my service will get due after 12 months which technically is not correct. Oil even if stored in an engine which is run only briefly must be changed as per due date and same holds good for the other fluids which are time based.
Can you please look into this matter and advise if I am missing anything or interpreting wrongly?
Regards
Singh