Linea vs City Comparison Report

umvarma · 19th February 2009, 23:16

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Originally Posted by finneyp

Yes, when you have no facts or anything substantial to share, all you can do is pass sarcastic remarks!

Not really! Sarcasm hits you the most only when it involves truth.

extreme_torque · 19th February 2009, 23:52

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Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

*post removed because there is no point*

Finally you got around to the point that there isnt any point... save your arguments for some other thread... this isnt the place.

Steeroid · 19th February 2009, 23:57

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Originally Posted by extreme_torque

To me this is unwanted sarcasm.

We must disagree. To me it is saying it like it is. What I've written here is pretty much what happens day in and day out for some people. Denying it would be denying the most obvious phenomenon on this forum.

What exactly is unwanted - the sarcasm or the subject of it?

I would think its the latter.

Why do I say this? For about 3 years now we've heard the same bunch of people go on and on about the Linea like it was the ultimate car in the world. There were hundreds of threads on Linea this and Grande Punto that. People who owned the Palio seemed to believe that they have this automatic, god-given right to talk about these two cars (Baby Maserati, BAH!) without anyone disputing what they said. Regardless of the fact that the Palio and the Linea have nothing in common. People driving that underpowered 1.2 Palio automatically spoke authoritatively on these cars like they had made them in their backyards. Nevermind that the 1.2 wouldnt hold its own against my 55 year old 1.1 in either power deliver or mileage or sheer driving pleasure. It was assumed that owning Fiat gave you ownership of the brand.

Now the car is out, and frankly WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT! For all that tall talk it fails to deliver power, driveability, usable space or consistent interior quality.

Read up all the threads leading up to the launch of this car and then sit in that car. You will realize where I'm coming from.

In my opinion, these people are Fiat's biggest enemies.

Ravveendrra · 20th February 2009, 00:47

I received an interesting phone call yesterday (Wednesday).

One of my friends was toying with the idea of buying an ANHC. He popped into the Honda showroom and according to him, the supercilious attitude of the guys there put him off. He was looking at anything from a Swift to just under a C Class. I told him to check out the Linea as it was a new car and was priced better than the ANHC.

He popped across to the notorious Tata-Fiat shop and had a dekko at the Linea. Then, he went back to the Tata-Fiat shop and had another dekko.

He called me yesterday that he had made up his mind. He was buying the 1.6 Palio Sport!

His logic - he pays about 60% of what he would have paid for the ANHC (his first choice), gets a more powerful and rugged car with interior space to match the ANHC. He says the higher resale value and FE of the Honda dont work out in his favour once he considers the savings in initial cost and the interest thereon.

I am thrilled to bits as he has promised to let me use it when he is not in town \

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Changing tack now.

I was one of those who was genuinely happy to see this thread regain an even keel and lose some of the acrimony. At one point of time, the direction of the suggestions in the posts had me worried sick. I refer in particular to a proposal aired herein, that members who own or have previously owned a vehicle made by a manufacturer or company are somehow biased and/or disqualified from commenting on products from that manufactgurer or company.

Over the years I have owned or used:

1.Lambretta,
Then made by API under license from Innocenti, Government of India obtained limited rights to the brand name ‘Lambretta and passed it on to Scooters India Ltd. Which sold Lambrettas as ‘Vijai’ in India. After an association with British Leyland, the brand finally passed to Fiat.

2 Jawa,
Made in collaboration with a Czech manufacturer of motorcycles. The evolved version was later sold as the Yezdi in India

3 Ambassador,
Made by Hindustan Motors, from the Morris Oxford Series III. Morris went on to become a part of the British Motor Company or BMC, BMC became a part of British Leyland’s Austin-Rover group which was bought by BMW and became a part of MG Rover which was taken over by Ford and sold recently to Tata. Today Hindustan Motors makes the Cedia through a tie-up with Mitshubishi.

4. Standard Herald,
Basically a Triumph Herald, which was made by Standard Triumph which became a part of the Specialist Division of British Leyland. The Triumph trademark was retained by BMW while the rest of the group went on to be eventually bought by Tata.

5. Plymouth Savoy Station wagon,
Made by a division of the Chrysler Corporation, which went on to become the Daimler Chrysler AG on being purchased by Daimler Benz, makers of the Mercedes Benz range. It was later sold, and remains independent. Chrysler corporation has/had tie ups with Tata Motors and Fiat.

6. Standard Gazel, (same as Standard Herald above)

7 P.President,
The venerable Fiat 1100 Delight or 1100D, made by Fiat S.p.A. Fiat group includes Ferrari, Iveco, Maserati, Abarath, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Fiat is the owner of the Multi-Jet technology for Diesel engines and manufactures the Diesel engine used by the Suzuki-Swift.

8. Ind-Suzuki - Supra,
A joint venture between TVS group who now make the TVS motorcycles and Suzuki Motor Corporation make the famous Hayabusa motorcycles. Suzuki are also the major stake holder in Maruti Suzuki.

9. P.Padmini, (same as for Premier President above)

10. Premier 118NE,
A happy marriage between a Fiat 124 body and a Nissan A12 engine. Nissan made the Datsuns and makes the Infiniti vehicles. Nissan has a tie up with Renault and is involved in the Renault-Mahindra venture in India which makes the Logan.

11.Opel Corsa
From the Opel Corsa Series B, which was also sold as Buick Sail, Chevrolet Chevy, Chevrolet Classic, Chevrolet Corsa, Holden SB Barina, Opel Vita, Vauxhall Corsa. Opel is a part of the GM Stable and designs the Opel, Vauxhall and Saturn ranges. Some Isuzus are also sold as Opels. GMs other brands include Cadillac, Daewoo, GMC, Hummer, Pontiac.

12. Skoda Laura.
The Skoda Octavia worldwide. Made by Skoda which was acquired by Volkswagen in 1991 and the car is based on the VW A5 platform (Q35) which is the same as used in Audi A3, VW Golf, VW Jetta, SEAT Leon, SEAT Altea, VW Tiguan and VW Touran.

13. Maruti 800
A Suzuki Alto brought to India by a joint venture between Maruti and Suzuki. The company is now a subsidiary of the Suzuki Motor Corporation whose best known product is their iconic Hayabusa motorcycles.

That makes a total of 3 British, 3 Italian, 1 Jap+Italian, 1 Czech, 1 Germano-Czech, 1 German, 2 Japansese and 1 American product.

Courtesy the myriad mergers & acquisitions, marriages (made in heaven or otherwise), tie-ups, break-ups etc. There are a total of about 50 brands or manufacturers involved from across the globe, this is not counting the various design houses like Pininfarina, Bertone etc.

If that proposal resurfaces and finds favour in the forum - I would not be able to write about anything with wheels on it!

Cheers,

enjoy your drive, leave the quibbling to the politicians.

extreme_torque · 20th February 2009, 00:50

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