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Old 30th October 2012, 14:43   #1
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Default Report: Bugatti developing ultimate Veyron | 1600bhp | 0-100 in 1.8secs!

With the Koenigsegg Agera R, McLaren P1 and Ferrari F70 kissing the Veyron’s magical 1000bhp mark, Bugatti is reportedly upping the game to ensure that the Veyron remains the hyper car royalty it was meant to be.

The new "Ultimate" Veyron is reported to be revealed at Frankfurt next year and the figures are quite literally out of this world,
  • Engine - Updated 8.0L or New 9.6L (Doubtful IMO)
  • Output – 1600bhp!
  • Top Speed - 463 km/h (288 mph)
  • Price - $2.5 (€1.9 / 1.5) million
  • 0-100 – 1.8secs!!!

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Old 30th October 2012, 14:52   #2
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Let's go over those figures again:

8.0L or 9.6L engine!
1600 HP!!
1.8 seconds to the ton!!!
Topping out at 463 km/h OR 288 mph!!!!

Staggering!! Just wow!!

I can only imagine the boom that such an engine would thump out when revved!
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Default Re: Report: Bugatti developing ultimate Veyron | 1600bhp | 0-100 in 1.8secs!

The prev 1000Bhp car's full petrol used to last, what, 4 or 5 minutes on full throttle?

Looks like this one's tyres is going to last 4 or 5 minutes 1.8Seconds!!

PS - Lolz, that will be a very short TopGear testing episode! More like a commercial!
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Default Re: Report: Bugatti developing ultimate Veyron | 1600bhp | 0-100 in 1.8secs!

The original Veyron produced 987bhp, it ran out of a tank of fuel in 12 minutes at top speed (407kmph), not at full throttle and the tyres lasted for 15 minutes at top whack.

Then when the SSC Ultimate Aero broke its top speed record and claimed the Guinness world record for the Fastest Production Car, Bugatti tweaked it a bit and made the Veyron SuperSport with a power output of 1200bhp and top speed of 431kmph to reclaim its title. They were supposed to end the production of the Veyron with the convertible version of the Super Sport, that is the Grand Sport Vitesse.
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Default Re: Report: Bugatti developing ultimate Veyron | 1600bhp | 0-100 in 1.8secs!

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0-100 – 1.8secs!!!
A fat Bugatti on road-legal tyres? NO WAY.

I'm gonna quote a post of mine from another Veyron thread:

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Traction is a major player here, or rather, the lack of traction.

Also, similar to how the Veyron had to make xxx hp more just to increase its top speed by a few km/h - the same applies for the amount of weight that it would need to shed in order to make a 0.1 second shift in its acceleration run.

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You know what i'd like to see? A Veyron on slicks...
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Default Re: Report: Bugatti developing ultimate Veyron | 1600bhp | 0-100 in 1.8secs!

Are they building a car or a fighter jet? 0-100 in 1.8 secs? Imagine the Acceleration and the G-Force! Like a jet taking off from a Catapult launcher (0-260 km/h in 2secs) on-board an aircraft carrier! Massive and insane!

But as Rehaan points out, figures looks like some journal jongoism and not true facts. Lets wait and watch.

But, on the other hand, if they do manage to make it happen, imagine the signal to signal drags! (Not promoting racing here! but just a wild thought.)
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A fat Bugatti on road-legal tyres? NO WAY.
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But as Rehaan points out, figures looks like some journal jongoism and not true facts. Lets wait and watch.
That did sound a tall claim and hence the smiley. We should remember that even when they upped the power from 1000 to 1200 in the Veyron SS, the 0-100 time remained the same, 2.5secs. They must have hit the wall with those tyres.
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The Veyron from my perspective:

1. With 1600 bhp, I would expect Thrust Vectored Vertical Take Off and Landing on this car.

2. 0-100 under 2 seconds. The industrialists and oil barons should be prepared for that or we have quite a few broken necks and wrecked exotics.

3. If I had that kind of dosh, I would rather buy a proper double engined aircraft to begin with.

4. I miss the whole point of this agility exercise (without offending anyone). If top speed and acceleration are the only yardsticks of excellence, I'm afraid, a turbine engined, jet fueled Veyron might churn out same numbers or even better.
At some point in the 50's maybe, aircraft manufacturers switched from piston engined to jet engined planes for performance and endurance and it has been no looking back since then.

What would make this car special for me would be its Handling, when compared to the road legal Lotus T125, which is available to the privileged few as well.
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  • Output 1600bhp!
  • Top Speed - 463 km/h (288 mph)
  • Price - $2.5 (1.9 / 1.5) million
  • 0-100 1.8secs!!!
Holy mother of God ! 0-100 in 1.8s. Gosh that's like the time of typing few words here !! and a V-max of 463? Thats like 33kmph more than the SS one. Both these can be achieved just with the change of motor ? Price is just 1.5million pounds ? Dontchya think that's a little less for such a product ? SS had 1.46 million pounds right ?

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The original Veyron produced 987bhp, it ran out of a tank of fuel in 12 minutes at top speed (407kmph), not at full throttle and the tyres lasted for 15 minutes at top whack.
I'm remembering the Topgear review of Veyron SS wherein Captain slow says they never know how long the tires last since they haven't tested. Now, how long will this ones last ?
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The acceleration time reminds me of a magazine article I read in the 90's. A rally prepped ford escort (IIRC) did a 0-100 time of 1.8 seconds. They had drawn a straight line down the diff and when they finished the test, they discovered that it had gone through three corkscrews. Upping power and possibly even reducing weight is easy. However, transmitting that power to the road efficiently and without damaging your car is the key for long term use. Otherwise it is cheaper and easier to rent a formula or rally car for a day on the track. Those vehicles do not need to have reliability. You can replace the entire vehicle every 1,000 km or so
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Those numbers sound unbelievable, but the magazine says they are possible because of a 249 kg (550 lb) weight reduction over the SuperSport. This means the car would tip the scales at 1,600 kg (3,527 lbs) and have a power-to-weight ratio of one-to-one
The bold lines take the Best out of me!!
This news would probably be more of figure oriented!

Or one of the weight reduction techniques-
USE PLASTIC TANK (like swift guys did )
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Upping power and possibly even reducing weight is easy. However, transmitting that power to the road efficiently and without damaging your car is the key for long term use. Otherwise it is cheaper and easier to rent a formula or rally car for a day on the track. Those vehicles do not need to have reliability. You can replace the entire vehicle every 1,000 km or so
Even F1 cars' engine lasts for a race right ? F1 car does 0-100 in 2+s right ? So, pulling a Veyron in shorter time than will require serious power to weight ratio. Have to say Hats off to those Bugatti guys if they make this possible.
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0 - 100 in 1.8 secs ?! One regular joes wont be able to handle the G forces involved .Also one is sure to have a spinal damage is you let go of the clutch by mistake
But to make the statement and offcourse to be the pinacle of engineering ! Well thats a no brainer now !

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Even F1 cars' engine lasts for a race right ? F1 car does 0-100 in 2+s right ? So, pulling a Veyron in shorter time than will require serious power to weight ratio. Have to say Hats off to those Bugatti guys if they make this possible.
Definitely hats off to the bugatti engineers for what they have come up with, but we do need to keep in mind that f1 cars can definitely do 1.x second 0-100 if they so desire.

We need to understand that f1 cars are built to go round a track as fast as possible, and not to accelerate hard or to get better top speeds. Therefore, the gear ratios are designed in such a way that the car has maximum torque at the top reaches of the rev range of any gear. An f1 never goes below say 60 or so except when starting or in the pits. Therefore first gear is designed to get good acceleration out of hairpin bends starting from 60 or 80 kmph.

Therefore with proper gearing an f1 car should be able to take on a veyron comfortably. Remember these are engines producing about 800 or 900 bhp and weigh under a 1000 kg. More likely closer to 500 than a 1000. Which means a power to weight ratio probably twice or thrice that of the veyron, even with 1600 bhp.
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I'm intrigued with the kind of fuel that will go on this monster. High octane alright but we now getting in to the ATF domain.
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