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Originally Posted by Jeroen If you revved the engine and maintain steady pressure on the gear lever would it engage in first? Usually even with the synchro gone bad you should still be able to force it into gear. Might cause a bit of teeth grinding, but still.
You do need to open up the gearbox to change the synchro. You do not need to open the gearbox to change the clutch, but typically you do need to remove the gearbox |
Thank you, Jeroen. Yes. Initially while this problem manifested, I had manged to hold up traffic and in a hurry was able to force it into first. Since, then I did not try to mash the gears due to grinding because of fear that more things may go wrong inside the gear box. I just had changed my style of driving to account to the fact that I may need to stop just for an instant to pop the car into first.
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Originally Posted by rajeev k Yes, it is the problem with synchronizing and faulty component need to be changed. By the by, what is the present odometer reading. |
The odo when the car was given to service was 1,13,xxx kms.
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Originally Posted by Lalvaz Yes Govigov, this is a known issue of the synchronising rings failing in the Maruti cars using the 1.3 litre multi jet engine. Given the huge number of such incidents reported in the swift, retina, ritz etc, Maruti should ideally do a recall and free replacement.
I have the exact same issue in my swift vdi, but get around by pressing the clutch twice. That resolves the issue allowing me to slot to first. Somehow not comfortable in letting them open my gearbox.
Please let us know the feedback once your car is back.
All the best. |
Thank you, Lavlaz, this is the first time I am hearing about this issue, I might have missed a thread on it or something. A search in our forum did not turn anything fruitful. For some reason, I did not try double clutch, I should have tried that. I will definitely let you know once the car is back from service.
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Originally Posted by humyum Syncros are not 10k, unless you are changing all of them. They are more like 2.5 k per gear plus gearbox overhaul cost which is a one time cost of 2 to 2.5 thousand.
Secondly with 1.1 lakh kilometers, I would change the Clutch, Pressure Plate, Flywheel, Release bearing, clutch pedal cylinder and slave cylinder. Flywheel because its already run 1.1 lakh kilometers and clutch pedal cylinder and slave cylinder because you have done a lot many kilometers and the bushing in these might be at the end of their life. Once and for all finish everything on the clutch side and get 1 lakh kilometers + of peace of mind. |
Thank you, humym. Yes, I have already asked him to change the release bearing and the pressure plates. I will also inform them to change the flywheel, the slave cylinder and the pedal cylinder. Thank you for mentioning the costs associated
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Originally Posted by a4anurag Go ahead with it. You aren't being fooled. |
Thank you, anurag for the break up and the part numbers. I will definitely check with him on why the quote was high. They generally have a habit of quoting high and then providing a lower bill. Let me check with the SA in any case.
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Originally Posted by amit_purohit20 The diagnosis is perfect! Its the synchronizer rings which are making your shifts hard. |
Thank you, amit. It is definitely a relief to know that the diagnosis is correct.
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Originally Posted by Swapnil4585 Had the synchronizer rings been the lone culprit, the gear would have slipped too. Try to hold the lever in 1st by using force and drive at high revs. If it slips, then the ring is to be blamed. If not, it is linkage problem. |
Hello swapnil, The gears do not slip once engaged and behaves perfectly normal. The issue is only in slotting into this gear. Also, if only the gears on the top (1 , 3 and 5) or the ones on the bottom (2, 4 and R) had manifested the problem, then it would have been an easy thing to diagnose and fix.
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Originally Posted by bullrun87 hey govigov,
It seems to me that the repairs recommended by the service center are all justified. Be sure to check other synchros and and bearings inside the gearbox once opened. The gear oil should also be changed and it is definitely recommended that the clutch plate, pressure plate, release bearing and flywheel be changed. Very few people can make a clutch last 100k kms |
Sure, bullrun87, I will also change the other parts mentioned by our very knowledgeable BHPians as a part of preventive maintenance.
Thank you, All. I will update this thread once the work is over with the detailed bill. I think I will also have to factor in the change of gear box oil. Does the gear box have a casket of some kind that also needs to be changed? (Like the head gasket) Or would they use the red glue type thing? (I do not know what it is called). Are there any checks to be done to make sure that the gear box is sealed and not leaking?