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Originally Posted by imove Joy, many congratulations on the R3. |
Thanks imove!
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Originally Posted by Sheel Congratulations!..
Detailed thread....
Hope to cross paths with your R3 in my Explorer somewhere on the road. |
Thanks Sheel! Likewise, I'm sure!
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Originally Posted by imove It is interesting to note that Mahindra did protect your price against escalation. I was planning to book a S10 4WD 7CC in the last week of September 2015. I was told that such a vehicle is only made to order and may take 4-6 weeks. I was also told in writing that any price hikes and any changes of discount schemes will be passed on to me. There were no dearth of escalation from my end but Mahindra did not relent.
I am not sure why the company's inability to supply a vehicle is being passed on to the customer. |
I think passing on escalations in cost between order to delivery to the customer is standard practice in the industry. Mine was a special case. They had to actually make alterations to their ordering system, ppc system and other allied systems to get it made in the first place. I think, very responsibly , they did not want the customer to suffer for that incongruence. You may want to write into customer care (withyouhamesha.com) & Sandip Dhond and see where that takes you. All the best!
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Originally Posted by Sheel I can sense why are you getting low FE figures. Not that it counts as you have already mentioned its advantages of the tire upgrade for you.
But would also advise others to properly test these duelers on highways prior to changing them. IMHO, they serve the purpose. |
Agree. As I have mentioned, for me R3 has been bought to fulfill a different need. For 99% of buyers that are very fuel economy conscious, and who would use it for the very docile commute and the occasional vacation , 99% of the time , H/Ts are the way to go. I am fine with the reduction in economy due to the A/Ts because where I intend to take this vehicle there's nothing to be gained by saving a few Rupees worth of diesel.
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Originally Posted by Sheel Brakes are poor and you have to get used to it. |
So, I'm not the only one!!
Thanks!!
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Originally Posted by comfortablynumb
Forgot to add 1 thing in my previous reply. The owner's manual recommends 6 litres for the oil change (maybe a few hundred ml more to accommodate the quantity that goes in the oil filter). If the ASC has filled 7 litres, please check if the oil level is above the max mark. Ideally, they should fill between 6 & 6.5 litres, and return the rest to you. |
Vikram
R3 has been driven maybe 8 km since the oil change. I had been using our Milemuncher Innova for the office - home commutes , while he (R3) was parked discreetly. Your cautionary note , caught my attention.
I do recall that no oil was returned to me by the shop. That led me to believe in your suggestion that the full 7L may have been poured in. The car had not been used for more than 24 hours - so the engine was cold.
I popped the hood , and indeed the dipstick showed the oil level to be 1 cm past the Max notch. I immediately called up the GM - Mr Arya and informed him of the situation (more like gave him an earful!) .
He in turn, asked his chief technician to come to my house. One Mr. Rajinder Yadav showed up within the hour. Rajinder insisted that the oil level was okay whilst acknowledging that it was a wee bit over the max mark. We repeated the measurement several times - it was about 5-6 mm above the max on some occasions, and at the notch on others.
Per his knowledge - only 6.5 L of oil was poured by his colleague Narender (who actually worked on the car). He had apparently called aforesaid gentleman earlier today to validate this. I don't really care about the implied pilferage (not returning the oil to me). What I do indeed recall is that I had
not been with R3 the whole time - having been interrupted by something else. I also recalled that Narender's work had not been reviewed by anyone at the shop.
On my suggestion, that he drain the oil a bit, and then titre to the correct level i.e. between the marks, he was OK to do so, but insisted that it's not really needed. He even suggested me to drive the car upto Okhla Service station - where they have the tools and consumables. They offered to make a special consideration for me, and open up the workshop
despite it being Gandhi Jayanti!
I figured, it's nothing to open the drain plug, drain a little oil, and push it back again. And that, in all the time we spent arguing about it, he could have done this job and gone home - so there has to be some truth behind his conviction.
So, I got him to write on the bill - that the oil change has been done to his satisfaction in his capacity as chief technician.
And I have let matters be.
I don't know if the written statement will be taken as proof by Mahindra to extend warranty coverage for a failed catcon or something worse - but with social media and this forum , I know I am in good hands if something really bad happens.
In retrospect, and to be honest, I don't expect that to be the case, even if 0.5 L extra was indeed poured in. It's about tolerance and margins of error. For an engine with a 6L oil reservoir, I am pretty sure there would be enough space in the galleries to accommodate the extra half-liter, without causing too many hiccups.
What I am very impressed about - is
RESPONSIVENESS. Very few companies in the
WORLD are this responsive - that too on a mandatory holiday.
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Originally Posted by n.devdath One other tip that comes to mind, now that we are discussing 4WDs is that you could also consider retrofitting the Mahindra supplied MLD (Mechanically Locking Differential) to the rear of R3. It increases its capability to a significant extent. Hariya had it, and it helped me at a few crucial places in snow and on rocks. |
Devdath ji: I had been mulling this option for a very long time, from way before delivery of R3.
To the extent, of having written to the H.O., and asking them to get Mahindra R&D , to provide me the dimensions of the front and rear differential.
Sadly, the email Dated: August 19:2015 and several telephonic and email followups with Mahindra H.O. has elicited no satisfactory response yet. I am told , that dimensions of the axles and differentials (to the precision needed) are not available for public disclosure.
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Dear Piran ji
Many thanks for facilitating purchase of my first Mahindra vehicle.
As discussed, I would like to improve the off-roadability of my vehicle for which I am considering after market fitment of following components.- Mechanical Locking Differential (MLD) in place of rear differential. Link: http://www.eaton.in/EatonIN/Products...als/PCT_329342
- e-Locker in place of front differential. Link: http://www.eaton.in/EatonIN/Products...als/PCT_329340
As I mentioned earlier, Eaton MLD used to be OEM available from Mahindra itself, and was installed at ASC in Kolkata in 2012 for one of the 2009 model 4wd scorpio purchased by one of the team-bhp members. Please refer this link for details. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-ve...ml#post2750755. I believe, this MLD was also standard fitment on export version of 4wd Scorpio. Subsequently, it has been discontinued.
However, my need for better off-roading experience remains. I need key dimensions of front and rear differential units, to be able to purchase the right after market components from the vendor. The vendor's service establishment , do not have details of the front and rear differential measurements for the new generation Scorpio, and hence are requesting me to furnish the necessary details.
These measurements are outlined in the attached document. diff measurements.pdf
Please can you send me these measurements, that will be of great help to me?
P.S. I am also given to understand that Mahindra makes an LSD which can be an alternative to the MLD , that I am considering. Is this true? Is there any LSD unit that can be ordered , and fitted in the ASC in place of the rear differential that comes with the car?
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Joy Bhowmik
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The non-response from Mahindra R&D , led me to consult with Sudev ji once more.
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Originally Posted by sudev There is some merit in remaining OE spec. I do not think you need to worry about putting lockers just yet. I was merely wanting you to understand the shortcoming of this set up and avoid getting.
I remember a thread by KhanSultan on installing after market lockers.
Given the choice I'd rather install a winch to get out of even more trouble some scenarios. |
A winch , IMHO may not be useful in some of the himalayan terrains - where not a blade of grass grows, leave alone trees. As my experience has also shown, in such places, getting a decent sized boulder to act as anchor is a difficult find. One would have to then buy a heavy steel anchor - the kind shown in the extreme offroading adventures on TV. The R3 as an expedition vehicle is likely to be laden down with more than its fair share of luggage - so carrying what amounts to an additional steel "rock" will not help in rarefied air - when the engine struggles to breathe. Besides, as one of the threads (
Mahindra Scorpio Winch and Offroad bumper project) on this topic has shown - it requires that the front bumper be suitably reinforced - this is not an easy job - and IMHO - will spoil R3's OEM looks.
Subsequent discussion with Tanveer (tsk1979) - actually convinced me to go the snow cable way - as what I am really after is better traction. Since then I am on the look out for really decent snow cables and chains, which I can carry in the car. They should be easy to put-on and remove, not foul the exposed brake lines, and be VFM