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Originally Posted by Gurkha All this brouhaha........the lowly Force motors Gurkha can't even be in the hallowed halls of the mighty relic of WW-II, with its invincible live Dana axles, legendary petrol engine or Pukegot diesel, its is an indomitable force to be reckoned with.
Even with lower ground clearance, it manages to humble the likes of Land Cruiser, Gelande Wagen so Gurkha can't even be in this picture. Also one can't head for the nearest junk yard to go find replacement parts for the Gurkha but thats not the case with the legend, just look into any government warehouse or garage and you will find something that fits it.
Now for IFS, last year, the renowned 4WD magazine in US pitted a stock FJ against a stock Wrangler Rubicon unlimited, mind you, the later comes with the legend Dana 44 front and rear, electric sway bar disconnect up front.
I guess this mag must be doing some serious smokes or else they just don't have person of caliber like ex Palar and Coorg veterans who have commandeered their mighty relics to heights untouched by any. |
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Originally Posted by Gurkha FUD, lies and yarns galore, JEEPER speak I guess. Gurkha's GC stock with 16" tires is 238mm, compare that to measly 210mm in Mahindra, Gurkha's diff locks are an asset to be used in conditions that would bring every other off road vehicles to their knees. Actually it manages to do quite well without lockers As for it being anemic, wow thats like the pot calling the kettle black specially coming from a relic that can hardly even make close to 30bhp DIN, even the Pukegot engine makes alleged 72bhp which is way less than the OM616 turbo's 91bhp DIN or the DI's 75bhp DIN.
As for axle ratio, Gurkha already comes with a stump puller rear ratio and combine that with 4WD low and it virtually climbs most hills without needing any throttle inputs.
When anyone speaks of power, that shows the level of immaturity of that person. Power never ever gets you anywhere or else the V12 Brabus G with 770bhp would be the choice of G Wagen off road enthusiasts but thats not the case, the choice is diesel powered 170bhp engine instead. I have seen Unimogs with 36bhp DIN managed to humble vehicles with four times the bhp at Rubicon. |
Hi Doc.
Nice to have you back in the discussions.
What is Ground Clearance?
The Vertical Distance between the Lowest Point on the Differential and the Ground.
For M&M JEEPs its 180mm to 238mm for the same differential i.e DANA44
6.00X16 to 7.50X16
In my 5 years of recreational off-road driving I have hit my differential twice (without any damage) once with 210mm GC and once with 238mm GC.
But the winner of the GC contest is not the JEEP, it is the GYPSY.
for a 31" tyre the Gypsy has almost 260mm of GC, because of the smaller diff-pumpkin.
1)wrt the FJ Cruiser vs Wrangler please post link of the Magazine article.
2) What is the Stump Pulling Ratio 4.9:1 or 5.3:1.
The JEEPs have been using those ratios since 1941 and 1947.
lets look at the Crawl Ratios (1st X Low-Ratio X Diff-Ratio)
1) Gurkha
4.7 X 2.04 X 5.3 = 50.8:1
4.7 X 2.04 X 4.9 = 46.98:1
An Ordinary JEEP CJ340 with the XDP4.9
3.986 X 2.46 X 5.38 = 52:1
The Junkyard JEEP my MM540XD with XD3P
3.986 X 2.46 X 5.38 = 52:1
I changed the stock diff-ratio's with second hand Crown & Pinion to 5.38:1
3)Lets look at engines.
the OM616T is 90bhp & 19Kgm how much does it weigh 260Kgs.
The XD3PNA is 72bhp & 15.5Kgm weight 194Kgs.
The XD4.9P and XD3P have an average life of 90K kms in INDIA, rebuilding is cheap especially the Jugaad Rebuilds. 12-40K depending on budget.
4) Where have you seen the Unimog beat a vehicle 4 Times powerful?
Please post the pictures and videos and give us a detailed account of this visual experience.
The only Unimog I have seen is with Mr. Uday Bhan Singh, so to hear and see the LEGEND in action would surely be a treat for all of us.
Did you compare the power of the OM616T to the lowly XD3P? and talk about immaturity.
Some of us are gutsy enough to take our vehicles off-road and organize a safe OTR for all the participants, and not just sit and quote a "GERMAN" magazine article printed 10yrs ago, and try to draw parallels to Pedigree, that of Mercedes and G-Wagen.
We have seen one Gurkha in Coorg and it failed to impress, with its High GC, Puch T-Case and diff-locks, and we attribute it to the inexperience of the driver.
wrt. TPC (The Palar Challenge) either they are plain scared or the Event is just too ordinary for a Gurkha to participate, since it earned its off-road street cred on a German magazine.
And off-course to be an Expert in INDIA, one has to bow down before every bit of foreign technology.
And those who don't are
i) cheap,
ii) junk yard builders,
iii) cannot read german
iv) anemic
v) inexperienced
vi) unfair
vii)
ALL OF THE ABOVE
Its the case of HIDALGO/Sea Biscuit or just a Mongrel ripping open a thoroughbred.
Happens all the time.
Regards,
Arka