Silent, But Violent

susan3004 · 23rd June 2009, 20:44

Ouch!!
I thought that the story will continue with the faithfull Huricane under the hood!
Why are there signs of rusting on the body??

fazalaliadil · 23rd June 2009, 20:55

Arka,
This Willys/ Mahindra which is an Indian army disposal is unimaginably mighty when it comes to hardcore off roading, Our offroading needs were different but I can go on telling tales of its maneuverability, ride quality and power with 4 hefty guys on board.
Cant think of any modern Indian stock 4X4 which can beat this one.
It is still powered by the original hurricane petrol engine and 4X4 in excellent condition.
The pics. of your jeep kickstarted my memoirs.
All the best,

Ramsagar · 24th June 2009, 08:48

Fazal byaahia..very well maintained.
Love the paint & finish.

Kandisa · 24th June 2009, 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan3004

Ouch!!
I thought that the story will continue with the faithfull Huricane under the hood!...

Same was my thought. Any reason to put the diesel tractor engine in place of hurricane in a 3b? Were the spares unavailable?
fazal sir, that is the best looking 3b i have seen so far. What a piece!
-regards,

princemanatt · 24th June 2009, 10:44

Great pictures and writeup ex670c . Waiting for the next set. I presume the 'silent' in the heading denote the petrol power. And the pictures explains the violent part. Quite amazing!

ex670c · 24th June 2009, 10:49

I learned everything I know about JEEPs from UBS and Suresh Stephen.

UBS taught me to tune the carburetor over the phone, when the idling was rough or there were cracks and bangs.

Suresh was more adventurous he persuaded me over the phone to adjust the timing, by rotating the distributor, if the engine RPM increases, then its advanced etc, I personally prefer the Static method open the no.1 cyl and feel & check for the Piston to reach 5 degree BTDC and the adjust the CB points, again by rotating the distributor.

I used to get sleepless nights if the Hurricane was not firing right.

Sudhir Kashyap helped me a great deal with M&M CJ3B related information and suggestions while rebuilding and explaining the progress of the F4-134 over the years with M&M.
7.8:1 Compression Ratio head, the optional Low –Ratio 3.3:1 KMT-90, the 2600rpm redline of the Hurricane Engine.

I have experienced the power and torque of the F4-134 many times.

The first time I saw it was on 01-05-05 the first JEEPTHRILLS OTR, on the way back to Chennai we stopped at a friends farm and some guys came to show off their Hybrid Land-Rover, Series III on Discovery Chassis with Coil Springs, Nissan SD25 Engine & Disco GB & T-Case without Centre-Diff-Lock.

The Landy was pulling climbs left, right and centre, but got bogged in a sand pit on the beach, a couple of SWB JEEPs with the XD4.9P huffed and puffed and dug in, it was my turn with the CJ3B, so I looped the tow cable over my front bumper and Reversed the JEEP in Low Ratio, I was stunned to see the La-Ro being pulled out, no wheel spins, no fuss.

Another time in Jan 2006 a friend of mine got his 2WD stuck on the beach, he was sensible enough not to dig it in, so I had to go over and give him a tug.

On the way back we saw an Indica stuck on the beach near Crocodile Farm, since we had the Recovery Gear, decided to give him a hand, this was a gradual climb to the road from the beach, no sweat pulled him out too, apparently the Indica gentlemen went to help a Versa which was stuck further, down.

Well we pulled him out to the road.

Jammy Anand’s fanaticism, actually deterred me from changing the Hurricane, the Hurricane had, good torque and decent BHP, but I wanted more.

To be Contd.

ex670c · 24th June 2009, 12:23

The Vehicle was lying in the garage since June 2006, decided to finally get the CJ3B on the road, the Painting and Electrical connections were done in 2007, so it was not very difficult getting the JEEP on-road.

I managed to get spares to rebuild the engine thoroughly and Popular Automobile Engineers, undertook the task. In July, 2008 we fitted the F4-134 and got the JEEP running.

Its customary for us to take a newly rebuilt JEEP, to Kelambakkam, so we did that in November.

To be Contd.

GoSlow · 24th June 2009, 14:54

Great write up Arka! Very instresting to read.

So what would you , the diesel 540/550 or the petrol 3b for the following:

1. OTR
2. Driving in city
3. Long distance

Cheers
Ankit

GTO · 24th June 2009, 16:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

It all started in 2004, when I went to "Border Thottam" to get the exhaust of my Hyundai Santro welded.

I came across lot of second hand JEEPs lying around, I was familiar with what comprised of a 4WD system, so I went around searching for some vehicles.

Little did you know! A thread that speaks of how Arka got smitten by Jeeps? *clicks 5 star rating*.

@ Arka : Honest answer....what do you love more? Your MM540 or CJ3B, and why?

ex670c · 24th June 2009, 16:25

@GoSlow
1. OTR - MM540
2. Driving in city - CJ3B
3. Long distance - MM540

@GTO,
I love the MM540XD, the CJ3B always manages to bring a smile on my face.

JeepMkd · 24th June 2009, 19:30

It's always great to hear (read) such a story. I'm following

ex670c · 25th June 2009, 13:45

Hi Guys,

As the JEEP was garaged for two years, the Tool-Box Area had rusted pretty badly, we decided to address that immediately, and then started a hurried rebuild & restoration.

In March 2007, I managed to source a WEBER 2bbl Carburettor for the F4-134, and in July 2008, Electra Automotives of Kamlesh & Krupesh Patel fame installed the Carburettor and 4-1 Headers.

Krupesh decided to tune the JEEP for mid-range keeping 12kgm@900rpm for the Hurricane as a starting point.

She is quicker than most cars on the road, the torque and acceleration has improved considerably, FE is 6-8Kmpl in City conditions………………..and What a GROWL!!!!!

Upgrades
1)FFRA – Mhd.Ali wanted to give me a surprise, he mistook my instructions and converted the CJ3B to FFRA
2)Carburettor WEBER 2bbl.
3)NGK Spark Plus BR6HS (Enfield Bullet 350cc)
4)Seiwa Carrot top Cables (Spark Plug & Ignition Coil i.e. Contessa Classic)
5)Pertronix Flamethrower 1 – Ignition Coil

Regards,

Arka

Concluded.

Blue Thunder · 28th June 2009, 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

...This is the story of my M&M CJ3B and beginning of my JEEPing & OTR experience...

Wonderful thread, Arka

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

...We decided to put the good ol’ B275 into the CJ3B, ...

Which engine is this? Petrol or diesel?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ex670c

...Krupesh decided to tune the JEEP for mid-range keeping 12kgm@900rpm for the Hurricane as a starting point.....

12kgm@ 900 rpm

...Is that a typo ?

jeepster · 28th June 2009, 20:22

hi ex670c (arka),

i have known your jeep even before i joined t-bhp (thanks to cj-3b website).
your posts are very helpful for beginners like myself.
i have got tons of information from your posts.

looking forward to know how arka became ex670c ( or arka-volution).

BTW what happened to your third jeep

Sabareesh · 29th June 2009, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Wonderful thread, Arka

.

Which engine is this? Petrol or diesel?

12kgm@ 900 rpm

...Is that a typo ?

The B275 is a diesel engine commonly known as International Engine. It was used on the CJ500D "91" Wheelbase JEEPs.

Arka, please share with us some details about your 3rd JEEP as well. Is it under restoration ?

23rd June 2009, 20:44	#16
susan3004 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kapurthala Posts: 384 Thanked: 268 Times	Ouch!! I thought that the story will continue with the faithfull Huricane under the hood! Why are there signs of rusting on the body??
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23rd June 2009, 20:55	#17
fazalaliadil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 2,022 Thanked: 677 Times View My Garage	Arka, This Willys/ Mahindra which is an Indian army disposal is unimaginably mighty when it comes to hardcore off roading, Our offroading needs were different but I can go on telling tales of its maneuverability, ride quality and power with 4 hefty guys on board. Cant think of any modern Indian stock 4X4 which can beat this one. It is still powered by the original hurricane petrol engine and 4X4 in excellent condition. The pics. of your jeep kickstarted my memoirs. All the best, Last edited by fazalaliadil : 23rd June 2009 at 20:58.
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24th June 2009, 08:48	#18
Ramsagar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BLR_Nellore(AP) Posts: 1,398 Thanked: 255 Times View My Garage	Fazal byaahia..very well maintained. Love the paint & finish.
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24th June 2009, 10:44	#20
princemanatt BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 127 Thanked: 7 Times	Great pictures and writeup ex670c . Waiting for the next set. I presume the 'silent' in the heading denote the petrol power. And the pictures explains the violent part. Quite amazing!
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24th June 2009, 10:49	#21
ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 2,170 Times View My Garage	Part 5 - F4-134 Hurricane I learned everything I know about JEEPs from UBS and Suresh Stephen. UBS taught me to tune the carburetor over the phone, when the idling was rough or there were cracks and bangs. Suresh was more adventurous he persuaded me over the phone to adjust the timing, by rotating the distributor, if the engine RPM increases, then its advanced etc, I personally prefer the Static method open the no.1 cyl and feel & check for the Piston to reach 5 degree BTDC and the adjust the CB points, again by rotating the distributor. I used to get sleepless nights if the Hurricane was not firing right. Sudhir Kashyap helped me a great deal with M&M CJ3B related information and suggestions while rebuilding and explaining the progress of the F4-134 over the years with M&M. 7.8:1 Compression Ratio head, the optional Low –Ratio 3.3:1 KMT-90, the 2600rpm redline of the Hurricane Engine. I have experienced the power and torque of the F4-134 many times. The first time I saw it was on 01-05-05 the first JEEPTHRILLS OTR, on the way back to Chennai we stopped at a friends farm and some guys came to show off their Hybrid Land-Rover, Series III on Discovery Chassis with Coil Springs, Nissan SD25 Engine & Disco GB & T-Case without Centre-Diff-Lock. The Landy was pulling climbs left, right and centre, but got bogged in a sand pit on the beach, a couple of SWB JEEPs with the XD4.9P huffed and puffed and dug in, it was my turn with the CJ3B, so I looped the tow cable over my front bumper and Reversed the JEEP in Low Ratio, I was stunned to see the La-Ro being pulled out, no wheel spins, no fuss. Another time in Jan 2006 a friend of mine got his 2WD stuck on the beach, he was sensible enough not to dig it in, so I had to go over and give him a tug. On the way back we saw an Indica stuck on the beach near Crocodile Farm, since we had the Recovery Gear, decided to give him a hand, this was a gradual climb to the road from the beach, no sweat pulled him out too, apparently the Indica gentlemen went to help a Versa which was stuck further, down. Well we pulled him out to the road. Jammy Anand’s fanaticism, actually deterred me from changing the Hurricane, the Hurricane had, good torque and decent BHP, but I wanted more. To be Contd.
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24th June 2009, 12:23	#22
ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 2,170 Times View My Garage	Part 6 – 2008 Rebuild The Vehicle was lying in the garage since June 2006, decided to finally get the CJ3B on the road, the Painting and Electrical connections were done in 2007, so it was not very difficult getting the JEEP on-road. I managed to get spares to rebuild the engine thoroughly and Popular Automobile Engineers, undertook the task. In July, 2008 we fitted the F4-134 and got the JEEP running. Its customary for us to take a newly rebuilt JEEP, to Kelambakkam, so we did that in November. To be Contd. Attached Thumbnails
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24th June 2009, 14:54	#23
GoSlow BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Noida Posts: 507 Thanked: 78 Times	Great write up Arka! Very instresting to read. So what would you , the diesel 540/550 or the petrol 3b for the following: 1. OTR 2. Driving in city 3. Long distance Cheers Ankit
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24th June 2009, 16:25	#25
ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 2,170 Times View My Garage	1996MM540XD vs 1985CJ3B-4 @GoSlow 1. OTR - MM540 2. Driving in city - CJ3B 3. Long distance - MM540 @GTO, I love the MM540XD, the CJ3B always manages to bring a smile on my face.
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24th June 2009, 19:30	#26
JeepMkd BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Republic of MACEDONIA Posts: 86 Thanked: 3 Times	It's always great to hear (read) such a story. I'm following
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25th June 2009, 13:45	#27
ex670c Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,470 Thanked: 2,170 Times View My Garage	Part 7 – 2009 Rebuild Hi Guys, As the JEEP was garaged for two years, the Tool-Box Area had rusted pretty badly, we decided to address that immediately, and then started a hurried rebuild & restoration. In March 2007, I managed to source a WEBER 2bbl Carburettor for the F4-134, and in July 2008, Electra Automotives of Kamlesh & Krupesh Patel fame installed the Carburettor and 4-1 Headers. Krupesh decided to tune the JEEP for mid-range keeping 12kgm@900rpm for the Hurricane as a starting point. She is quicker than most cars on the road, the torque and acceleration has improved considerably, FE is 6-8Kmpl in City conditions………………..and What a GROWL!!!!! Upgrades 1)FFRA – Mhd.Ali wanted to give me a surprise, he mistook my instructions and converted the CJ3B to FFRA 2)Carburettor WEBER 2bbl. 3)NGK Spark Plus BR6HS (Enfield Bullet 350cc) 4)Seiwa Carrot top Cables (Spark Plug & Ignition Coil i.e. Contessa Classic) 5)Pertronix Flamethrower 1 – Ignition Coil Regards, Arka Concluded. Attached Thumbnails
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28th June 2009, 20:22	#29
jeepster Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MH24 aka LATUR Posts: 1,720 Thanked: 2,079 Times View My Garage	hi ex670c (arka), i have known your jeep even before i joined t-bhp (thanks to cj-3b website). your posts are very helpful for beginners like myself. i have got tons of information from your posts. looking forward to know how arka became ex670c ( or arka-volution). BTW what happened to your third jeep
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