Subwoofer performance

panky12345 · 19th July 2006, 11:08

Hi everyone! consider this:

I go a car accessory wala, he shows me a pioneer 304 in a sealed box pounding like anything with a desi alpine 2 channel bridged (rs. 2250) amp.

Then he runs the same sub with a SONY amp (80 W RMS bridged app) and hardly the sub pound, u cd feel that its working, no movement....next he hooks a pioneer 6200 amp (120 W RMS - 2 channels bridged (rear), OK...sub pounds, but not as hard as in fake alpine. I thought that it must be with that particular fake alpine, but no i was wrong. i hooked up 3 different ones and there was almost same performance.

now, leaving aside the sound quality, i just wonder that what would be the output of fake alpine to push the sub real hard. according to gurus, all fake alpines emit 70-80 W RMS at most, then how come it peforms better than sony or pioneer?

any clues?

k36 · 19th July 2006, 13:15

Were the Sony and Pio original?

malgudi · 19th July 2006, 15:40

maybe the gain was not set properly on the sony and pio amps so that he could convince u and sell the desi alpine.

Sam Kapasi · 19th July 2006, 15:53

Panky,

It is easier to get drunk on Aristocrat than Johnny Walker.

Doesnt make Aristocrat better now, does it?

speedzak · 19th July 2006, 17:07

Sometimes you can also get your head conked up easy with a local brew! Leave alone all the exotic names!

I had a fake amp a year ago and to say the truth it used to pound the Pioneer Sub hard like anything. And that's where it all ended. No more dramas or climaxes etc.. Plain pounding!!

Pounding alone wont do the work man! You need some nice licks, blows and flow to make it better man!!!

Bass&Trouble · 19th July 2006, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Panky,

It is easier to get drunk on Aristocrat than Johnny Walker.

Doesnt make Aristocrat better now, does it?

Those fake Alpines are like 'tharra' bro. I've seen them, they use high power output transistors. It's not about how much power they put out, it's how well they do it. Those amps distort sickeningly, the best test is to use one to power up a pair of speakers with the amp, and listen.

amit_sound · 20th July 2006, 01:08

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

Panky,

It is easier to get drunk on Aristocrat than Johnny Walker.

Doesnt make Aristocrat better now, does it?

and LOL... Hey SAM, nice was of explaning ICE!!!

navin · 20th July 2006, 09:44

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Originally Posted by amit_sound

and LOL... Hey SAM, nice was of explaning ICE!!!

ICE wont help Aristocrat or Red Label and ICE will only dilute anything better.

panky12345 · 20th July 2006, 10:40

thanx for replying everyone....SAM baba that was a wonderful answer and see our old man is getting naughtier. hehehe.

but what you guyz say about the output of desi alpines?

speedzak · 20th July 2006, 10:50

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Originally Posted by panky12345

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but what you guyz say about the output of desi alpines?

C'mon now!!!
Should we repeat again??

jkdas · 20th July 2006, 12:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by panky12345

thanx for replying everyone....SAM baba that was a wonderful answer and see our old man is getting naughtier. hehehe.

but what you guyz say about the output of desi alpines?

I prefer desi and alpine , not desi alpines.

if you meant that teh sub was pounding ( excursions) like anything with taht amp and sub comby and if you are happy get it! what else can we say.

and try to stic a small doll (barbie with skirts) so that she goes la Marylin Monroe every time it thumps.

gunbir · 20th July 2006, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by panky12345

but what you guyz say about the output of desi alpines?

Cant add much to whats already been said... Panky, get this amp (over a good one), with the money saved get yourself some good booze, get drunk, go listen to your desi alpine and pioneer sub... Im sure it will sound great if you're sozzled... Panky, isske baad "Kabhi SQ Na Kehna"...

Driven · 20th July 2006, 12:53

dude and make sure the booze is also desi,,,,

regards driven

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbir

Cant add much to whats already been said... Panky, get this amp (over a good one), with the money saved get yourself some good booze, get drunk, go listen to your desi alpine and pioneer sub... Im sure it will sound great if you're sozzled... Panky, isske baad "Kabhi SQ Na Kehna"...

s0uljah · 20th July 2006, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

the best test is to use one to power up a pair of speakers with the amp, and listen.

Really ? I guess to a trained ear testing the amp in this way to see if it is able to deliver sufficient power as well as render quality sound to the speakers would give an indication regarding its performance ? The reason I ask is I have an amp with me that has been manufactured in China and also has a high wattage specification and im curious reagrding whether it will be more thump or a combination of quality and thump that I will obtain. Of course the amp is no where close to the desi alpines and cannot be compared.... the proofs in the pudding so I will have to wait until such time I can pair them to speakers and test.. before I hook it up to my subbie

navin · 21st July 2006, 09:42

panky12345, since you are the only person who has heard these amps you can decide what suits your needs. I always believe that if we try a little we can use our ears to decide if we like something or not. If you like it go for it. I would question reliability of a fake alpine though.

19th July 2006, 11:08	#1
panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 171 Times	Subwoofer performance Hi everyone! consider this: I go a car accessory wala, he shows me a pioneer 304 in a sealed box pounding like anything with a desi alpine 2 channel bridged (rs. 2250) amp. Then he runs the same sub with a SONY amp (80 W RMS bridged app) and hardly the sub pound, u cd feel that its working, no movement....next he hooks a pioneer 6200 amp (120 W RMS - 2 channels bridged (rear), OK...sub pounds, but not as hard as in fake alpine. I thought that it must be with that particular fake alpine, but no i was wrong. i hooked up 3 different ones and there was almost same performance. now, leaving aside the sound quality, i just wonder that what would be the output of fake alpine to push the sub real hard. according to gurus, all fake alpines emit 70-80 W RMS at most, then how come it peforms better than sony or pioneer? any clues?
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19th July 2006, 13:15	#2
k36 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 133 Thanked: 21 Times	Were the Sony and Pio original?
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19th July 2006, 15:40	#3
malgudi BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 355 Thanked: 183 Times View My Garage	maybe the gain was not set properly on the sony and pio amps so that he could convince u and sell the desi alpine.
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19th July 2006, 15:53	#4
Sam Kapasi Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai (but wat Posts: 6,997 Thanked: 2,378 Times View My Garage	Panky, It is easier to get drunk on Aristocrat than Johnny Walker. Doesnt make Aristocrat better now, does it?
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19th July 2006, 17:07	#5
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	Sometimes you can also get your head conked up easy with a local brew! Leave alone all the exotic names! I had a fake amp a year ago and to say the truth it used to pound the Pioneer Sub hard like anything. And that's where it all ended. No more dramas or climaxes etc.. Plain pounding!! Pounding alone wont do the work man! You need some nice licks, blows and flow to make it better man!!!
	() Thanks

20th July 2006, 10:40	#9
panky12345 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,697 Thanked: 171 Times	thanx for replying everyone....SAM baba that was a wonderful answer and see our old man is getting naughtier. hehehe. but what you guyz say about the output of desi alpines?
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21st July 2006, 09:42	#15
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,199 Thanked: 9,304 Times	panky12345, since you are the only person who has heard these amps you can decide what suits your needs. I always believe that if we try a little we can use our ears to decide if we like something or not. If you like it go for it. I would question reliability of a fake alpine though.
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