Grade of Copper in Power Wires ?

rsjaurr · 26th August 2006, 16:49

Binz,u should be able to perceive the difference.If its not so,why would experts recommend it?

High end wiring is must for high end system having components,multi-ch amp and subw for better results.

binz · 26th August 2006, 17:02

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Originally Posted by rsjaurr

Binz,u should be able to perceive the difference.If its not so,why would experts recommend it?

When i ask if "I" will be able to perceive the difference its because I have listened to audio all through my life on stock car speakers,with an oem hu.
To me,ice is a relatively new thing.Anyway I dont want to hijack this thread further so i waill just w8 patiently for my answer

929RON · 26th August 2006, 18:17

HA HA ! I PMed you, besides the percievable difference depends on what system you are running, also if you are running a Subwoofer (which i am sure you are) that Boss wiring kit's (12Ga) power wire is not doing justice to the amp's needs, the things which are at danger (other than SQ) is also your subwoofer, if it does not get optimum power it will start Bottoming out and has chances of blowing if the voltage drops too much, also the wiring you currently have will overheat and you can blow something in the amp too, this is not to scare you, check with the older guys on the forum, they will tell you the same thing.
Cheers.

rsjaurr · 26th August 2006, 19:49

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Originally Posted by binz

When i ask if "I" will be able to perceive the difference its because I have listened to audio all through my life on stock car speakers,with an oem hu.
To me,ice is a relatively new thing.Anyway I dont want to hijack this thread further so i waill just w8 patiently for my answer

When i said u will be able to..i really meant 'u' even if u have listened to audio all through ur life on stock car spk and OEM HU.

U forgot to read my 2nd line and also forgot to read whats in-between the lines,TN Sheshan could read it...

Ron explained what i meant in 2nd sentence......

binz · 26th August 2006, 20:31

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Originally Posted by rsjaurr

TN Sheshan could read it...

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Anyway sorry to bug you guys again,but will I be able to notice the difference in the SQ while using boss and a better brand?
THis is just for clarification,will be goin in for new cabling by the end of next week

Bass&Trouble · 26th August 2006, 23:13

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Originally Posted by binz

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Anyway sorry to bug you guys again,but will I be able to notice the difference in the SQ while using boss and a better brand?
THis is just for clarification,will be goin in for new cabling by the end of next week

Binz, there's one small thing I can't resist adding here. I saw some comments that "8 gauge boss cable with the core area of a 12 gauge or 16 gauge or something".

Strange as it may sound, I have seen some counterfeit Boss in some places (yeah, whoever's doing that sure needs to get a life, really bad!). None went to the extent of having 16-ga cables packaged as 8-ga. So maybe I haven't seen those ones.

In the real Boss (sheesh, that's like the biggest antithesis of all times

), the power cable isn't really too bad. It's bad alright, but not like so bad that it's rendered useless. And it sure enough has as much metallic masala in it as regular 8-ga cables. The inline fuse holder, AGU fuse, and the rest of the hardware is also tidy. It's worth it if you can buy it REAL cheap. Else go for better brands, there is a choice right?

The RCAs are messed up. And the speaker wire is also very faecal. I'd say, buy loose power cable and fuse-holder/ fuse, and get some good RCA cables and speaker wire and you wouldnt have to worry much.

binz · 26th August 2006, 23:24

hmm..929 gave me info about the jl audio wiring kit.Lets see what happens.

Anyway you a fan of phoebes "smelly cat song"...theres a thread on that in the shifting gears section 3rd last page.

navin · 28th August 2006, 11:06

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Originally Posted by jinu_joseph

Navin, was reading up on skin effect and found that this was peresent in all cables(even monster cable) though its lesser in multistrand cables. But its effect at audio freq is very negligible...Finally what matters is the net impedance of the cable which is very marginally effected by skin effect.

1. Skin effect has a partial effect on the toanlity of the wire and even less effect on the impedance. I was refering to Tonality.

2. Multistrand cables reduce skin effect at the cost of raising other issues. proper cable design be if multistrand or solid core is required to make a cable that is devoid of not only skin effect but are also electrically and mechanically stable (some issues considered are cable core geometry, inter cable dielectric, cable's impednace (or reactance), etc..).

High capacitance is potentially one of the most deleterious properties of an audio interconnect. Low capacitance is achieved through the use of small diameter conductors, large conductor spacing, and low overall dielectric constants. The trick is to accomplish all of this without compromising the mechanical integrity of the cable, or creating other problems.

In addition different materials have slightly different sonic properties. Gold, Sliver, Carbon, Titanium, OFC (Oxegeon Free Copper).

However we might want to discuss this on antoher forum.

929RON · 29th August 2006, 00:05

[quote=navin] OFC (Oxegeon Free Copper).

quote]

Sir jee, is it Oxygen or something new ? I suppose it is Oxygen

navin · 29th August 2006, 09:26

RON, that is a typo. Please excuse me.

929RON · 29th August 2006, 10:49

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Originally Posted by navin

RON, that is a typo. Please excuse me.

Arrey, no formalitites, I was just kidding, I knew what that was

Sam Kapasi · 29th August 2006, 11:34

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Originally Posted by 929RON

Arrey, no formalitites, I was just kidding, I knew what that was

So is that formalities? Or something new?

gunbir · 29th August 2006, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Sam Kapasi

So is that formalities? Or something new?

arrey this is very old... you know... formali-tites / casual-tites....

and there are many other kinds of tites...

navin · 29th August 2006, 13:10

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Originally Posted by gunbir

and there are many other kinds of tites...

Oh that formality!! I thought he was talking about formaldehyde! Someone I figured RON was refering to my "experiments" with chemicals as a teen. :-)

low_bass_makker · 29th August 2006, 13:35

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Originally Posted by navin

formaldehyde!

one of the use of formaldehyde is to make urea formaldehyde which is a thermoset material used to make plates, electric switchs and so on.....

26th August 2006, 16:49	#16
rsjaurr BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Batala Posts: 777 Thanked: 28 Times	Binz,u should be able to perceive the difference.If its not so,why would experts recommend it? High end wiring is must for high end system having components,multi-ch amp and subw for better results.
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26th August 2006, 18:17	#18
929RON BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: KS CITY Posts: 114 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	HA HA ! I PMed you, besides the percievable difference depends on what system you are running, also if you are running a Subwoofer (which i am sure you are) that Boss wiring kit's (12Ga) power wire is not doing justice to the amp's needs, the things which are at danger (other than SQ) is also your subwoofer, if it does not get optimum power it will start Bottoming out and has chances of blowing if the voltage drops too much, also the wiring you currently have will overheat and you can blow something in the amp too, this is not to scare you, check with the older guys on the forum, they will tell you the same thing. Cheers.
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26th August 2006, 23:24	#22
binz Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,306 Thanked: 431 Times View My Garage	hmm..929 gave me info about the jl audio wiring kit.Lets see what happens. Anyway you a fan of phoebes "smelly cat song"...theres a thread on that in the shifting gears section 3rd last page.
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29th August 2006, 00:05	#24
929RON BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: KS CITY Posts: 114 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	[quote=navin] OFC (Oxegeon Free Copper). quote] Sir jee, is it Oxygen or something new ? I suppose it is Oxygen
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29th August 2006, 09:26	#25
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,413 Thanked: 9,971 Times	RON, that is a typo. Please excuse me.
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