Amplifiers for my Scorpio

moodswings · 7th December 2006, 19:18

Hello Experts,

Wanted your opinion, out of the four listed Links to Ebay for Car Amplifiers which one should I get:

1. eBay.ca: NEW AUDIOBAHN 600w 4 CHANNEL CAR AMPLIFIER STEREO AMP $ (item 180060301396 end time 15-Dec-06 18:24:06 EST)

2. eBay.ca: ROCKFORD FOSGATE P4004 400 WATT 4 CH. Amplifier NEW 04 (item 250057715927 end time 12-Dec-06 03:44:58 EST)

3. eBay.ca: NEW ALPINE 4 CHANNEL 360w CAR AUDIO AMP SUB AMPLIFIER $ (item 180059524151 end time 13-Dec-06 23:58:15 EST)

4. eBay.ca: ALPINE MRP-F450 400 WATT RMS 4/2 CHANNEL CAR AMPLIFIER (item 270064709000 end time 15-Dec-06 16:37:20 EST)

However, please suggest if any of the above are not good. The complete setup in my Scorpio is Alpine with:

Alpine 9833 HU, 2 pairs of R Series components and a woofer and ovals at the back. Only the Amps are not alpine. I have a total of 13 speakers icluding the tweeters/components/woofers etc. However the music quality is not optimum.

So, guys please suggest.

Regards,
Preet

blueraven316 · 7th December 2006, 19:45

Well I am not very sure if you want to fit the 4 channel amp for speakers only or sub also will be connected to this,
Considering these are all speaker amps and there is lot of variation in pricing also,
The Audiobahn A6004V is one of the Audiobahn amps that sound really neat with speakers. I have used both the A6004T and the 6004V, and they are very good VFM.
The Alpine amps too are good, the F250 is too less power and the gain has to go on the higer side for it to sound loud enough in a big car like the scorpio, so that is not your choice, the F450 is a better choice,this Alpine amp treble is quite clear.
Now, if you also planning to run a sub with this amp choice, then close your eyes and buy the RF P4004, very good on SQ and sounds neat with subs.

One little suggestion, the link you sent for the RF amp is INDOAUDIO, and he is a major con job artist. I know the guy from a looooong time, though he is one of the many Shooting Stars on eBay, but he has lots of negative feedback, he is infamous for listing stuff thathe does not stock and when its on a backorder he will ship it to you after a month, check his negative feedback ratings and read what people write, he is not good.
and the worst part is he is an INDIAN ! steer clear of INDOAUDIO and even ELECTRONICGIANT. Both again unfortunately owned by Indians.
Well guess how I know all this ?? I worked for eBay USA for 2.5 years

moodswings · 7th December 2006, 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueraven316

Well I am not very sure if you want to fit the 4 The Audiobahn A6004V is one of the Audiobahn amps that sound really neat with speakers. I have used both the A6004T and the 6004V, and they are very good VFM.
the F450 is a better choice,this Alpine amp treble is quite clear.
Now, if you also planning to run a sub with this amp choice, then close your eyes and buy the RF P4004, very good on SQ and sounds neat with subs.

Thanks buddy for the info. I am currently for the RF and audiobahn and I am going to use the Amp to run my 2 pairs of components, so no Sub here.

Let me know.

Regards,
Preet

blueraven316 · 8th December 2006, 02:02

Okay, so If you looking at saving few bucks and have SQ pretty close to the RF, then Audiobahn A6004V is the way, But you will need somone really good to tune the amp,
If you don't mind Spending more, then RF P4004 is a better buy overall.
It's funny that I have used 3 of the amps till date you have listed and currently use a 6004T (2005 model) in my Ikon for the compos.

moodswings · 8th December 2006, 02:25

Blueraven you have confused me now. RF or Audiobahn.

Mugen_Power · 8th December 2006, 02:27

moodswings,

Could you please give a details of all your setup with model numbers, so experts can help you out to get the best output from your system.
If you want more details about Audiobahn PM B&T .

Cheers,
Mugen_Power.

speedzak · 8th December 2006, 02:54

Could you please explain what those 13 speakers are? How they're connected? Where? Etc...

I think you don't need 13 speakers for optimum sound.

And what will this new amp be put into?

mohit · 8th December 2006, 03:14

2 pair compos = 8 speakers
1 pair 2 way ovals = 4 speakers
1 sub = 1 speaker
Total = 13 speakers

I am assuming the compos would be in the doors and the ovals and the sub in a box in the back. Moodswings can confirm/elaborate.

blueraven316 · 8th December 2006, 11:37

AH, if you wanna end the confusion, then go in for the Audiobahn 6004V, as considering the difference in price, the RF P4004 is not that much better than the 6004V in terms of effect and Clarity for Speakers.

Just a tip: Anwar from Auto Fusion (if you don't know him, he is one of the best Tuners in India) tuned the A6004T in my Ikon just last week and said the amp was very good, and when he says something is good it has to be good. The A6004V is the new 6004T with a different casing, but same internals.

hydrashok · 8th December 2006, 12:01

Wholly new setup, blueraven? How about pics (in a new thread)?

PRADEEP KUMAR · 8th December 2006, 14:14

Folks,
Sorry if i am repeating the question,i have not checked out the ICE threads.
I just fixed Bostom Comps in front,Pioneer 5850 and ovals in reart with 12 cd changer,Alpine f240 amp and a pioneer single coil 12" sub with enclosure in my scorpio crde.
The installer "Sound works" chap has connected the front and the sub on the amp and the rears are driven direct.
Can it be improved ? can i find a guy who can tune it better for me?

cheers!

navin · 8th December 2006, 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodswings

Blueraven you have confused me now. RF or Audiobahn.

Audiobahn for front and rear, RF for a sub.

speedzak · 8th December 2006, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRADEEP KUMAR

Folks,
Sorry if i am repeating the question,i have not checked out the ICE threads.
I just fixed Bostom Comps in front,Pioneer 5850 and ovals in reart with 12 cd changer,Alpine f240 amp and a pioneer single coil 12" sub with enclosure in my scorpio crde.
The installer "Sound works" chap has connected the front and the sub on the amp and the rears are driven direct.
Can it be improved ?

I think he has done it correctly. Are you not satisfied with the setup?
What Amp have you got?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRADEEP KUMAR

can i find a guy who can tune it better for me?

Doing an install in one place and then going to somebody else for tuning etc.. can attract bad attention and ego knock knock from the installers.

Your installer is the best person for your system just because he is the one who did it!!!

navin · 8th December 2006, 16:15

The Alpine F250 is not really capable of driving a 12" sub fullly. Tuning is not rocket science. Start with your HU's EQ set to flat and use your ears. You'll find it remarkably simple.

hydrashok · 8th December 2006, 16:44

Preet, this is a late reply, so I guess your AMP choice must be solved now?

Getting a good output stage in a Scorpio is a nightmare. (All SUV's with big cabins have this same problem).

When you mentioned "However the music quality is not optimum" what exactly did you mean? Did you mean that:

- Not enough Bass?
- Not enough Treble?
- Disjointed sound?
- What else?

With the plethora of speakers in there, I feel it could be disjointed and non-coherent sound. With 2 sets of good components in there (Alpine Type Rs seem to be getting good enough reviews in TBHP today) you should get good sound. The output from the ovals (co-axials right?) must be ruining the partnership the Alpines have set-up. Try disconnecting the ovals.

What amps are you using currently? Bad (read fake and very low-end) amps can ruin the sound. And if your sub is very underpowered , the bass maybe slow and muddy.

What kind of enclosure is the Sub in? Custom built or off-the-shelf?

Maybe your sound woes will be solved with the new amp. But do consider getting rid of the ovals.

7th December 2006, 19:18	#1
moodswings BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 205 Thanked: 10 Times	Amplifiers for my Scorpio Hello Experts, Wanted your opinion, out of the four listed Links to Ebay for Car Amplifiers which one should I get: 1. eBay.ca: NEW AUDIOBAHN 600w 4 CHANNEL CAR AMPLIFIER STEREO AMP $ (item 180060301396 end time 15-Dec-06 18:24:06 EST) 2. eBay.ca: ROCKFORD FOSGATE P4004 400 WATT 4 CH. Amplifier NEW 04 (item 250057715927 end time 12-Dec-06 03:44:58 EST) 3. eBay.ca: NEW ALPINE 4 CHANNEL 360w CAR AUDIO AMP SUB AMPLIFIER $ (item 180059524151 end time 13-Dec-06 23:58:15 EST) 4. eBay.ca: ALPINE MRP-F450 400 WATT RMS 4/2 CHANNEL CAR AMPLIFIER (item 270064709000 end time 15-Dec-06 16:37:20 EST) However, please suggest if any of the above are not good. The complete setup in my Scorpio is Alpine with: Alpine 9833 HU, 2 pairs of R Series components and a woofer and ovals at the back. Only the Amps are not alpine. I have a total of 13 speakers icluding the tweeters/components/woofers etc. However the music quality is not optimum. So, guys please suggest. Regards, Preet Last edited by moodswings : 7th December 2006 at 19:37. Reason: wrong info
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7th December 2006, 19:45	#2
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,109 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Well I am not very sure if you want to fit the 4 channel amp for speakers only or sub also will be connected to this, Considering these are all speaker amps and there is lot of variation in pricing also, The Audiobahn A6004V is one of the Audiobahn amps that sound really neat with speakers. I have used both the A6004T and the 6004V, and they are very good VFM. The Alpine amps too are good, the F250 is too less power and the gain has to go on the higer side for it to sound loud enough in a big car like the scorpio, so that is not your choice, the F450 is a better choice,this Alpine amp treble is quite clear. Now, if you also planning to run a sub with this amp choice, then close your eyes and buy the RF P4004, very good on SQ and sounds neat with subs. One little suggestion, the link you sent for the RF amp is INDOAUDIO, and he is a major con job artist. I know the guy from a looooong time, though he is one of the many Shooting Stars on eBay, but he has lots of negative feedback, he is infamous for listing stuff thathe does not stock and when its on a backorder he will ship it to you after a month, check his negative feedback ratings and read what people write, he is not good. and the worst part is he is an INDIAN ! steer clear of INDOAUDIO and even ELECTRONICGIANT. Both again unfortunately owned by Indians. Well guess how I know all this ?? I worked for eBay USA for 2.5 years
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8th December 2006, 02:02	#4
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,109 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Okay, so If you looking at saving few bucks and have SQ pretty close to the RF, then Audiobahn A6004V is the way, But you will need somone really good to tune the amp, If you don't mind Spending more, then RF P4004 is a better buy overall. It's funny that I have used 3 of the amps till date you have listed and currently use a 6004T (2005 model) in my Ikon for the compos.
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8th December 2006, 02:25	#5
moodswings BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 205 Thanked: 10 Times	confused Blueraven you have confused me now. RF or Audiobahn.
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8th December 2006, 02:27	#6
Mugen_Power Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gujarat 03 Posts: 1,302 Thanked: 19 Times	moodswings, Could you please give a details of all your setup with model numbers, so experts can help you out to get the best output from your system. If you want more details about Audiobahn PM B&T . Cheers, Mugen_Power.
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8th December 2006, 02:54	#7
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	Could you please explain what those 13 speakers are? How they're connected? Where? Etc... I think you don't need 13 speakers for optimum sound. And what will this new amp be put into?
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8th December 2006, 03:14	#8
mohit BHPian Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toronto / Kurukshetra Posts: 677 Thanked: 168 Times	2 pair compos = 8 speakers 1 pair 2 way ovals = 4 speakers 1 sub = 1 speaker Total = 13 speakers I am assuming the compos would be in the doors and the ovals and the sub in a box in the back. Moodswings can confirm/elaborate.
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8th December 2006, 11:37	#9
blueraven316 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,109 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	AH, if you wanna end the confusion, then go in for the Audiobahn 6004V, as considering the difference in price, the RF P4004 is not that much better than the 6004V in terms of effect and Clarity for Speakers. Just a tip: Anwar from Auto Fusion (if you don't know him, he is one of the best Tuners in India) tuned the A6004T in my Ikon just last week and said the amp was very good, and when he says something is good it has to be good. The A6004V is the new 6004T with a different casing, but same internals.
	() Thanks

8th December 2006, 12:01	#10
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Wholly new setup, blueraven? How about pics (in a new thread)?
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8th December 2006, 14:14	#11
PRADEEP KUMAR BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 388 Thanked: 29 Times	Folks, Sorry if i am repeating the question,i have not checked out the ICE threads. I just fixed Bostom Comps in front,Pioneer 5850 and ovals in reart with 12 cd changer,Alpine f240 amp and a pioneer single coil 12" sub with enclosure in my scorpio crde. The installer "Sound works" chap has connected the front and the sub on the amp and the rears are driven direct. Can it be improved ? can i find a guy who can tune it better for me? cheers!
	() Thanks

8th December 2006, 16:15	#14
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,415 Thanked: 9,978 Times	The Alpine F250 is not really capable of driving a 12" sub fullly. Tuning is not rocket science. Start with your HU's EQ set to flat and use your ears. You'll find it remarkably simple.
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8th December 2006, 16:44	#15
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 19 Times View My Garage	Preet, this is a late reply, so I guess your AMP choice must be solved now? Getting a good output stage in a Scorpio is a nightmare. (All SUV's with big cabins have this same problem). When you mentioned "However the music quality is not optimum" what exactly did you mean? Did you mean that: - Not enough Bass? - Not enough Treble? - Disjointed sound? - What else? With the plethora of speakers in there, I feel it could be disjointed and non-coherent sound. With 2 sets of good components in there (Alpine Type Rs seem to be getting good enough reviews in TBHP today) you should get good sound. The output from the ovals (co-axials right?) must be ruining the partnership the Alpines have set-up. Try disconnecting the ovals. What amps are you using currently? Bad (read fake and very low-end) amps can ruin the sound. And if your sub is very underpowered , the bass maybe slow and muddy. What kind of enclosure is the Sub in? Custom built or off-the-shelf? Maybe your sound woes will be solved with the new amp. But do consider getting rid of the ovals.
	() Thanks