Palio ICE help needed.

rishibravo · 17th April 2007, 14:31

Guys I am a big zero when it comes to ICE. Right now my car has a very average ICE setup. I have a JVC KD-G413 Head unit (bought it because it was the cheapest option which comes with an aux input to connect my ipod), A 2 channel JVC KS-AX3300 amplifier (Dont ask why

) , a set of 6x9 JVC co-axials and some crappy kenwood (probably fake) speakers in the front.

My budget is around 40K. Please suggest what I should go for.

I listen to varied kind of music. From Daler bhai to Pearl Jam... From Himesh to 50 Cents... Dont want too much boom boom...just good quality music. I drive more than 50Kms a day and roughly spend 2 hrs a day in my car.

Moreover i am too confused about whether to spend a fortune on a good amp or not? Another confusion is : JBL or Hertz? So I want to leave everything to the Gurus...Please Help
Can someone tell me if I should keep the current head unit or should I go for a pio.

hydrashok · 17th April 2007, 15:38

40K is a good enough budget.

I couldn't make out how many pre-outs the HU has. If it has two, good. If only one (most likely), you should consider changing the HU for a Pio 4950 or something like that. I don't know how the JVC sounds so I can't comment based on that.

Between Hertz & JBL, it would be a good idea to listen for yourself and decide

Fronts (6.5" comps in stock pods): HERTZ DSK165 or JBL GTO607c (approx 6.5K)
Rears (5.25" coaxes in stock speaker pods): HERTZ DCX130 or JBL GTO527 (approx 4K)
Sub (12" sub): JBL GT4-12 12" sub in a custom-built ported box in boot (5K + 1.5K = 6.5K)
Amp : Your existing amp should do an almost decent job with the sub in bridged mode. Depending on the webpage it puts out 280w or 320w max. If it is not enough (try it with the sub), get a Pio 6200 (8K) or JBL CS60.4 (9K) Power the rears off the existing JVC amp.
Power and RCA wires: Stinger/Twister/Other good brand (approx 3K)
Damping: About 3-4K max (you don't need a lot for a Palio).
TOTAL: About 32K (if you buy a new amp also -- recommended since you have the budget. Else 24K).

If you add a HU (switch to Pio 4950) add 6K to make the total 38K.

If you want to max-out your budget (and a bit more), get a JBL GTO 75.4 amp instead of the ones I mentioned above (13K). I'd recommend this.

You'll probably get a maximum of 3K or so for the existing stuff (including the 2-ch amp) you have in the car if you sell it/exchange it, so you can take that off the total.

rishibravo · 17th April 2007, 16:12

Thanks Hydrashock... you have given me so many options within my budget..

esteem_lover · 17th April 2007, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by hydrashok

Depending on the webpage it puts out 280w or 320w max.

We are confused & excited now, are we ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rishibravo

Thanks Hydrashock... you have given me so many options within my budget..

Exactly why we have hydra here. Most enthu ICEr in Team-BHP.

hydrashok · 17th April 2007, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by hydrashok

Depending on the webpage it puts out 280w or 320w max.

Quote:

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

We are confused & excited now, are we ?

I actually googled the amp and got different specs on different webpages. But yes, still on cloud nine.

Bass&Trouble · 17th April 2007, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by rishibravo

confusion is : JBL or Hertz?

You're in New Delhi. That makes both Hertz and JBL accessible to you. Go and listen to both and decide.

rishibravo · 17th April 2007, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

You're in New Delhi. That makes both Hertz and JBL accessible to you. Go and listen to both and decide.

Went to Driven the other day...Listened to Hertz...I was awestruck considering what I was used to listening in my car. But I still want to listen to JBL before deciding as it is gonna cost me a lot (as per my pocket ..he he).

Quote:

Originally Posted by hydrashok

I actually googled the amp and got different specs on different webpages. But yes, still on cloud nine.

As per the JVC site KS-AX3300 gives 320W max.

Sam Kapasi · 17th April 2007, 17:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bass&Trouble

You're in New Delhi. That makes both Hertz and JBL accessible to you. Go and listen to both and decide.

Now that is correct advice. No one brand is better than another. let your ears decide for you. Luckily you have access to both products.

navin · 18th April 2007, 10:34

Actually I am starting to be more sure in my earlier theory
"Our ears are very good if only we know what to listen for".

In keeping with that theory I would suggest that you listen to a few brands that are a bit more refined (albeit more expensive). Infinity, Alpine (R/S), Hertz Hi Energy, Blau Velocity, Boston, etc.. why you should even try to hear Focal, DLS (LBM is in your area), etc...once you listen you will know what to look for, what is missing, and what are the various strengths and weaknesses of your (proposed) system.

speedzak · 18th April 2007, 10:59

I would suggest you to get a decent HU with 3 pre outs if your current HU doesn't have it. Pioneer 5950 is a good option available below 8k. Get compos for front and 5.25" coax as told earlier. Power everything from the HU. Get a JBL sub and connect it to your amp.

later when you gather some more green, get a decent 4channel amp and power your speakers from it.

Then, you can gather more green and follow Hydra's way of ICING a Palio. See it in sound off, show off section.

rishibravo · 22nd April 2007, 23:23

Guys I finally upgraded my ICE. This is what I got

HU: Pioneer 6950 with ipod docked
Amp: JBL GTO 75.4
Front Speakers: Hertz ESK165 (6" 2-way component speakers).
Rear Speakers: Hertz ECX130 (5" co-axial speakers).
Subwoofer: Image Dynamics IDQ12 D2V.3 12.25" Sub in a custom-built Sealed Box.
Damping: will go fot dynamat if needed
Cables: Connection Audison power cables & Connection Audison RCA interconnects and Speaker Wire.
Install: install job by DRIVEN

Special Thanx to JB and Manik ......

Thanks guys for guiding me through the upgrade...

low_bass_makker · 22nd April 2007, 23:40

now it is time for the pics then.........and enjoy music.......

hydrashok · 22nd April 2007, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by rishibravo

Guys I finally upgraded my ICE.

WOW! You've got one killer setup

Congrats! And PICS PLEEEEZ!

EDIT: Looks like the budget got thrown outta the window, huh?

rishibravo · 23rd April 2007, 09:22

Guys most of the equipment went into stock location . Here are some pics of the install. Couldnt take pics while intallation was carried out.

moralfibre · 23rd April 2007, 10:17

Great choice of equipment Rishi! How about a breakup of cost of the equipment that went in? How do you find the sound?

17th April 2007, 14:31	#1
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Palio ICE help needed. Guys I am a big zero when it comes to ICE. Right now my car has a very average ICE setup. I have a JVC KD-G413 Head unit (bought it because it was the cheapest option which comes with an aux input to connect my ipod), A 2 channel JVC KS-AX3300 amplifier (Dont ask why) , a set of 6x9 JVC co-axials and some crappy kenwood (probably fake) speakers in the front. My budget is around 40K. Please suggest what I should go for. I listen to varied kind of music. From Daler bhai to Pearl Jam... From Himesh to 50 Cents... Dont want too much boom boom...just good quality music. I drive more than 50Kms a day and roughly spend 2 hrs a day in my car. Moreover i am too confused about whether to spend a fortune on a good amp or not? Another confusion is : JBL or Hertz? So I want to leave everything to the Gurus...Please Help Can someone tell me if I should keep the current head unit or should I go for a pio.
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17th April 2007, 15:38	#2
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,528 Thanked: 17 Times View My Garage	40K is a good enough budget. I couldn't make out how many pre-outs the HU has. If it has two, good. If only one (most likely), you should consider changing the HU for a Pio 4950 or something like that. I don't know how the JVC sounds so I can't comment based on that. Between Hertz & JBL, it would be a good idea to listen for yourself and decide Fronts (6.5" comps in stock pods): HERTZ DSK165 or JBL GTO607c (approx 6.5K) Rears (5.25" coaxes in stock speaker pods): HERTZ DCX130 or JBL GTO527 (approx 4K) Sub (12" sub): JBL GT4-12 12" sub in a custom-built ported box in boot (5K + 1.5K = 6.5K) Amp : Your existing amp should do an almost decent job with the sub in bridged mode. Depending on the webpage it puts out 280w or 320w max. If it is not enough (try it with the sub), get a Pio 6200 (8K) or JBL CS60.4 (9K) Power the rears off the existing JVC amp. Power and RCA wires: Stinger/Twister/Other good brand (approx 3K) Damping: About 3-4K max (you don't need a lot for a Palio). TOTAL: About 32K (if you buy a new amp also -- recommended since you have the budget. Else 24K). If you add a HU (switch to Pio 4950) add 6K to make the total 38K. If you want to max-out your budget (and a bit more), get a JBL GTO 75.4 amp instead of the ones I mentioned above (13K). I'd recommend this. You'll probably get a maximum of 3K or so for the existing stuff (including the 2-ch amp) you have in the car if you sell it/exchange it, so you can take that off the total. Last edited by hydrashok : 17th April 2007 at 15:44.
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17th April 2007, 16:12	#3
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Thanks Hydrashock... you have given me so many options within my budget..
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18th April 2007, 10:34	#9
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,199 Thanked: 9,307 Times	Actually I am starting to be more sure in my earlier theory "Our ears are very good if only we know what to listen for". In keeping with that theory I would suggest that you listen to a few brands that are a bit more refined (albeit more expensive). Infinity, Alpine (R/S), Hertz Hi Energy, Blau Velocity, Boston, etc.. why you should even try to hear Focal, DLS (LBM is in your area), etc...once you listen you will know what to look for, what is missing, and what are the various strengths and weaknesses of your (proposed) system.
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18th April 2007, 10:59	#10
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,347 Thanked: 27 Times	I would suggest you to get a decent HU with 3 pre outs if your current HU doesn't have it. Pioneer 5950 is a good option available below 8k. Get compos for front and 5.25" coax as told earlier. Power everything from the HU. Get a JBL sub and connect it to your amp. later when you gather some more green, get a decent 4channel amp and power your speakers from it. Then, you can gather more green and follow Hydra's way of ICING a Palio. See it in sound off, show off section.
	() Thanks

22nd April 2007, 23:23	#11
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Guys I finally upgraded my ICE. This is what I got HU: Pioneer 6950 with ipod docked Amp: JBL GTO 75.4 Front Speakers: Hertz ESK165 (6" 2-way component speakers). Rear Speakers: Hertz ECX130 (5" co-axial speakers). Subwoofer: Image Dynamics IDQ12 D2V.3 12.25" Sub in a custom-built Sealed Box. Damping: will go fot dynamat if needed Cables: Connection Audison power cables & Connection Audison RCA interconnects and Speaker Wire. Install: install job by DRIVEN Special Thanx to JB and Manik ...... Thanks guys for guiding me through the upgrade...
	() Thanks

22nd April 2007, 23:40	#12
low_bass_makker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Faridabad Posts: 6,815 Thanked: 305 Times View My Garage	now it is time for the pics then.........and enjoy music.......
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23rd April 2007, 09:22	#14
rishibravo BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 579 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Guys most of the equipment went into stock location . Here are some pics of the install. Couldnt take pics while intallation was carried out.
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23rd April 2007, 10:17	#15
moralfibre Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MH-12 Posts: 8,451 Thanked: 13,973 Times	Great choice of equipment Rishi! How about a breakup of cost of the equipment that went in? How do you find the sound?
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