1st October 2007, 23:25
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A few posts ago on another thread we discussed (Clip asked the question) about attenuating the treble and I think now people are getting the idea that "treble a la TS20" is not accurate. Next step: attenuation is nice but really I find that MOST XOs use a rather high Q becuase the primary need for these XOs is to protect the tweeter. Since we here at TBHP have graduated beyond that (we now know that a small amp clipping destroys more tweeters than a big amp that does not) I think we should now consider changing the Qs of the XOs we sold. Ready? | |
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2nd October 2007, 20:27
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2nd October 2007, 22:29
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2nd October 2007, 23:48
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3rd October 2007, 10:25
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LspCad is easier to use than Clio. Once you get LspCad model a smaple 2nd order tweeter corssover. Satrt with say a 5uf cap and a 0.3mh inductor. as you increase the cap value you will start to see a peak in the HF roll off. This peak is becuase the crossover Q is to high and this peak is very audile both as a peak and as some phasey ringing or even lispyness (depending on the corssover frequency, program material, etc..). This can be very irriatating esp. if the peak is in the 2-3k range (very common with typical 5/6" 2 way speakers). The reason crossover designers use big caps is to protect the tweeter (notice that in the above mentioned crossover aas the peak starts to rise the roll off also becomes steeper). However we here are smarter than the average Joe. We realise that we have now modded the corssover and the tweeter now does NOT have this added protection. One option is to compensate for this is to raise the XO freq a bit. Now this can be done if the midrange is capable of producing 3kHz+ without audible breakup or frequency peaks. You will still have to sacrifice some of the off axis response (and hence might see a narrower a sweet spot due to the beaming from the midrange) but in a car this is less noticeable. In the end the proof of the pudding is in the eating. TRy moving the crossover F3 to a higher point and reducing the steepness of the slope and see if you like the sound. If not the process is reversable (just replace the original components). Remember the moment you open the crossover box the warranties are void. That is why this is recomended only for those who are careful in their experiments or you can do this with that pair of TS20 you had (and now dont like) and now one wanted to take them. | |
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3rd October 2007, 11:53
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3rd October 2007, 12:11
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3rd October 2007, 12:39
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4th October 2007, 19:43
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5th October 2007, 09:50
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5th October 2007, 12:40
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You're lucky that the count is allowed to reach 7. For me the curtain call is after the 1st, and curtains after the 2nd if she is around. Sigh! But, I must admit, in the tweeter-roll-off phase of life it is better to have someone seriously intent in keeping one alive despite our best efforts to the contrary. | |
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5th October 2007, 16:26
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baba, we forgot all about those crossover mods. Last edited by navin : 5th October 2007 at 16:31. | |
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18th December 2007, 15:28
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18th June 2008, 11:18
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| BHPian  | hello all its been 8 months since i got my ice upgraded in my trusty old santro. No problems uptill now and i hope it stays tht way . Really like the way the pioneer just plays any mp3 discs without any trouble . any wayz i have installed a sub and a monoblock at the beginning of the year and had not put up the pics . blue raven did an awesome job tuning my car ,its like a small concert hall these days . any wayz the pics and my 2 cent reviews are as follows i listen to a lot of metal, bands like slayer,sepultura,opeth and also to classics like ac/dc,zeppelin,pink floyd and listen to some trance . what i like of this system is the way the drumrolls and the snares sound . it has tht punchy sound . the sub is in a sealed 1 cubic foot sealed box which is tuned to give a tight sound . the mono does get heated up a lot but i still havent had any episodes where it goes into protection mode yet . i have problems keeping the car free from the annoying rattling soo have done some sound dampening myself  like i have taken out the door pad of the boot, stuck tape here and there to keep the annoying sound to my tolerable level though i dont get to notice it once i pump up the volume  night times my car looks the cool coz of the components as their cones light up blue! the amps also look damn cool . actually wanted to go for a brutus sub but couldnt afford it soo settled for a momo and am damn happy with it. ok the only drawbacks that i could think off was that the tweeter wire are very delicate and flimsy . it snapped off and i had my heart in my mouth . but satya helped me repair it and it is good as new . the speaker grills of the atlas are very thin and flimsy soo wat i did was got a pair of efx grills and fixed them. this made the components cooler and brighter |
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18th June 2008, 12:02
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