[GTO]

Eicher has launched the 11.14 model, a 14.5T (GVW) truck. Similar-sized trucks in India cater either to the 12-13 tonne category or the 16 tonne category. This Eicher truck attempts to bridge the gap. Eicher hopes to create a new segment, and attract customers of the 16 ton market, by providing them the benefits of a Heavy duty truck, with the savings of a medium duty truck. The Eicher 11.14 is meant for applications such as market load, milk / water tanker, parcel service, machinery transport, pharma, gas cylinders and courier segments.

The Eicher 11.14 is powered by a 114 BHP 4 cylinder diesel engine that is mated to the ET40S5 gearbox. It has 9.00 x 20 -16 PR tyres and is equipped with power steering. The after-sales network includes 200+ authorized service centres and 10,000+ private mechanics trained by Eicher.

[wanderernomad]

Eicher seems to be revamping its truck space again. After a lull of about 3-4 years you see more and more new eicher trucks. I still love their Galaxy. Got to drive it once and liked the driver position a lot. But these single seat cabins are not much for long range driver comfort as there is only limited seat mobility which makes the cabin feel cramped.

[sagarpadaki]

Just 114 hp??!!! The new verna has higher power than it. How is it supposed to lug 14 tonne of load with 114 hp? Or am I missing something here??

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by sagarpadaki

Just 114 hp??!!! The new verna has higher power than it. How is it supposed to lug 14 tonne of load with 114 hp? Or am I missing something here??

You may try hauling a 14T with Verna and 11.14.
Then you can understand how the power and torque can be varied and used depending upon application and usage.

[rajeev k]

Is still the tie up of Eicher with Mitsubishi alive or is it a product of eicher's collaboration agreement with Volvo. It would be interesting to know more on Eicher.
These days we see a lot of Eicher trucks and tippers on the road and on the highways, watching from the road their performance appears quite good. Even Eicher had mad dents in TATA's tipper market share.

[jalsa777]

Originally Posted by rajeev k

Is still the tie up of Eicher with Mitsubishi alive or is it a product of eicher's collaboration agreement with Volvo. It would be interesting to know more on Eicher.
These days we see a lot of Eicher trucks and tippers on the road and on the highways, watching from the road their performance appears quite good. Even Eicher had mad dents in TATA's tipper market share.

Its collaboration is now with Volvo. The company is called VE Commercial Vehicles Limited as far as i know.

[sirius1845]

Eicher engines are quiet compared to a leyland or tata engine. In bangalore BMTC has a lot of Eicher buses and also many shuttles of software companies use eicher buses.

[directinjection]

Eicher usually don't disclose the cubic capacity of their engines, perhaps because the figures are modest when compared to the competition. What is the cubic capacity of this truck's engine?

[hubolt]

any idea what the wheelbases are ? If they are pitching this to take on the 11 tonner segment which they could'nt take from tata then it's overkill and they would'nt be able to price it well.

If the want to grab the 16 tonner shgment which is a shrinking segment then again unless they can take an OL of 20 tonnes it's not on.

If they expect people to ferry white goods and vegetables on these vehicles then the segment is too small and the preference is for smaller tonnages.

Can anyone share their views on where this will be pitched ? As in applications , which can do better than the current application-tonnage combinations already in the market ?

[sirius1845]

i think it will be against the tata 709 and leyland e comet series. BTW Tata also uses cummins engines on their bigger vehicles.

Any idea what are the ratings for Mahindra Navistar trucks/engines. saw recently one on the road, was quite big.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Eicher usually don't disclose the cubic capacity of their engines, perhaps because the figures are modest when compared to the competition. What is the cubic capacity of this truck's engine?

Eicher engine capacity : 4 cylinder - 3.3 litre and 6 cylinder - 5 litre
Upto 31T haulage they use Eicher engines and for 40T tractor they use Cummins engines.
In tipper Terra 16 uses Eicher engine and Terra 25 uses Cummins 6BT - 5.8 litre engines.

Originally Posted by hubolt

any idea what the wheelbases are ? If they are pitching this to take on the 11 tonner segment which they could'nt take from tata then it's overkill and they would'nt be able to price it well.

If the want to grab the 16 tonner shgment which is a shrinking segment then again unless they can take an OL of 20 tonnes it's not on.

If they expect people to ferry white goods and vegetables on these vehicles then the segment is too small and the preference is for smaller tonnages.

Can anyone share their views on where this will be pitched ? As in applications , which can do better than the current application-tonnage combinations already in the market ?

As of now Eicher has one product in 12 to 16.2 T segment 11.12(4 cylinder range). So a 14T is a logical expansion inside the portfolio.
Also you may see this particular segment - 14T is likely to have multiple competition in near future.
So Eicher is planning for a Early bird catches worm strategy.

This will may primarily used for steel, cement and some bulk goods application bridging the gap between existing 12T and 16T.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by Ashley2

Eicher engine capacity : 4 cylinder - 3.3 litre and 6 cylinder - 5 litre

As I had said, Eicher uses smaller engines than the national norm which is roughly 6 litres for the big ones and about or just under 4 litres for the smaller ones.

Originally Posted by Ashley2

and for 40T tractor they use Cummins engines......and Terra 25 uses Cummins 6BT - 5.8 litre engines

That's news to me. Where do they source the engines from? Tata Cummins or elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Ashley2

As of now Eicher has one product in 12 to 16.2 T segment 11.12(4 cylinder range). So a 14T is a logical expansion inside the portfolio. Also you may see this particular segment - 14T is likely to have multiple competition in near future.....This will may primarily used for steel, cement and some bulk goods application bridging the gap between existing 12T and 16T.

Seems like hyper-fragmentation to me, just like the Indian 2-wheeler industry - 100 CC, 110 CC, 125 CC, 135 CC, 150 CC. Not to my liking.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by directinjection

...That's news to me. Where do they source the engines from? Tata Cummins or elsewhere?

Seems like hyper-fragmentation to me, just like the Indian 2-wheeler industry - 100 CC, 110 CC, 125 CC, 135 CC, 150 CC. Not to my liking.

No idea about the source of Cummins.
This is definitely not hyper segmentation and this has emerged out of customer requirements. This variant will almost have pay load of 16T and with a price of a 12T. IMO, In due course chances are there it may replace 16T in higher payload application. But for voluminous goods 16T will still be prefered as the load body is bigger.

[SAE40 in veins]

Originally Posted by Ashley2

This variant will almost have pay load of 16T and with a price of a 12T. IMO, In due course chances are there it may replace 16T in higher payload application. But for voluminous goods 16T will still be prefered as the load body is bigger.

This means that it is effectively Jumbo 20.16 with the LCV Cab and retuned LCV engine & tranny. A 3.3 liter lugging 14Tonnes ( + overload)means the puny engine is likely to have serious issues with its 'first overhaul life'. AL and TML are not foolish not to fit their W 04 and 497 in 16 Tonners but maybe fear of 'aggregate life factor' held them back. On paper this truck looks good but how well it holds together after a year or so of normal abuse needs to be seen.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by SAE40 in veins

This means that it is effectively Jumbo 20.16 with the LCV Cab and retuned LCV engine & tranny. A 3.3 liter lugging 14Tonnes ( + overload)means the puny engine is likely to have serious issues with its 'first overhaul life'. AL and TML are not foolish not to fit their W 04 and 497 in 16 Tonners but maybe fear of 'aggregate life factor' held them back. On paper this truck looks good but how well it holds together after a year or so of normal abuse needs to be seen.

Almost.But this will the same case when Ecomets and 1109's are also migrated to this level. But the other two mentioned here are almost hauling the same loads when customer demands (I have seen 1212 Ecomet strong hualing cement bags upto 18 T ie 50% overload). But Eichers are mostly for a light application, which Eicher may want to over come with a better engineered product, IMO.