[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by RSR

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Also disappointing is the sight of Suzuki's "S" logo on the front grille. I would have preferred Maruti's "winged" logo instead, in order to differentiate the CV line from their car lines.

In a society beset with as feudal a mindset as India, even Daimler AG were forced to create an all-new CV brand & logo (i.e. BharatBenz) to avoid annoying Mercedes-Benz customers who would've hated to see their hallowed three-pointed star adorning all those "lowly" commercial vehicles. Suzuki have been present in India for far longer than Daimler, and they should have known something as basic as this.

Mercedes made an India specific brand because the products they have here are made specifically to India. There isn't any connection that their brand feels low when its with a yellow board in truck. Remember else where the same 3 pointed star is used in CV.

I also would like to quote a word from famous travel operator who uses Mercedes Buses "They are still in a way like passenger cars. They don't respond after 6.00 o'clock".
Also today "Mercedes Benz" as a brand is not so good in commercial vehicles. Buses were inferior in quality and it didn't take off well. Trucks - even the Actros range is now more than few years its sold in India and currently phased out . Only Bharat Benz range is doing good.

I wonder if the front suspension is of the leaf spring type. Outdated and crude as front leaf spring suspensions are, this is what the segment prefers (as it's overloading friendly) and gives the Tata Ace a huge advantage over the likes of Mahindra Maxximo. Even Ashok Leyland were forced to offer optional front leaf spring suspension on the Dost to take on Tata's Super Ace.
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Its to be understood that, Dost was best seller even with Independent suspension. Now its only upgraded to rigid suspension. Also Super Ace was never in the competition. Its been phased out long back. Power train was a big failure and it didn't make any impact in the sales.

Originally Posted by abhishek46

This looks promising. The awful DDIS 125 finally finds it's natural habitat.
When launched, this is sure to pose a big problem to tata's Ace series.
Even though Ace is firmly established in the market and has tons of options, the Maruti badge is sure to make a dent in it's sales.

Only thing is that, tata vehicles are generally built to take very harsh abuse and overloading. The puny tata aces and indica are flogged like anything in the commercial space. MSIL is not known to make their vehicles that way (extra rugged, hardy). In the commercial space, ability to take abuse and overload earn brownie points.

Ace can never been used in overloaded application. Infact none of the Ace series are in that category. Its only Bolero and Dost are used for over loaded application.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Ashley2

Ace can never been used in overloaded application. Infact none of the Ace series are in that category. Its only Bolero and Dost are used for over loaded application.

Oh c'mon.

Don't tell you have never seen an overloaded Tata Ace. And it's a norm rather than an exception.

But yeah, for long distance overload applications Bolero and Dost are used more. Still, Ace in all it avatars have been loaded to its gills that it's puny tyres can't even handle.


Regarding the BharatBenz, yes I agree. Also one of the reasons is that the bharat benz vehicles sold in India are not Benz per se, but kinda rebadged Mitsubishi Fuso trucks.

[abhishek46]

Originally Posted by Ashley2

Ace can never been used in overloaded application. Infact none of the Ace series are in that category. Its only Bolero and Dost are used for over loaded application.

Dear Ashley,
I have personally seen hundreds of these aces literally overloaded to their smithereens, with stuff ranging from ropes, coconuts, grocery items, and even house hold items. They are loaded to such a extent that their leaf springs can be literally seen crying.

[Ashley2]

I never told they are not overloaded or haven't seen any, I intended to communicate as a product Ace is not designed for overloading. Neither the engine nor the chassis can handle this.

[RSR]

Originally Posted by Ashley2

Mercedes made an India specific brand because the products they have here are made specifically to India. There isn't any connection that their brand feels low when its with a yellow board in truck. Remember else where the same 3 pointed star is used in CV.

That's what they would publicly state, wouldn't they? There's no way they're going to state the primary underlying reason publicly.

It's not that their brand would feel low on a CV, as the three-pointed star is used in most other countries on their trucks. The three-pointed star on CVs in India would have been a boost for their trucks division, but as their trucks gained in popularity, their luxury car division would have suffered proportionately and lost customers to Audi, BMW, Jaguar-Land Rover and even Volvo. Certain things are best left unsaid, but not ignored while doing business in a place like India, even if one happens to be Daimler AG.

I think it was a smart decision to create BharatBenz & its logo, for whatever reason. Maruti Suzuki should have done likewise with two different logos for cars & CVs.

Its to be understood that, Dost was best seller even with Independent suspension. Now its only upgraded to rigid suspension. Also Super Ace was never in the competition. Its been phased out long back. Power train was a big failure and it didn't make any impact in the sales.

I realise I made a wrong statement. Super Ace was never equipped with a front leaf spring suspension, neither then nor now. All other Ace variants get this, but not the Super Ace.

The original 1.4 IDI TCIC engined Super Ace may have been a flop, as its powertrain was meant for cars. But I see that Tata have re-launched Super Ace with a 1.4 DiCOR engine (which proved to be even more troublesome in their cars). They're calling it the Super Ace Mint now. With that DiCOR engine, I don't think this one will turn out to be a success either.

So Ashok Leyland have made front leaf spring suspension standard on the Dost? Very good! With occurrences like this (even if they're very rare), one can understand why:

http://youtu.be/3200K21R4wU

It's actually a pity. Ashok Leyland originally equip the Dost with a superior and more comfortable front suspension, but the stupid overloading habit in India forces them to go back to the drawing board and upgrade (perhaps downgrade would be a better term) the suspension.

By the way, how does the nasty recent spat between Ashok Leyland & Nissan affect products like the Dost? In any divorce, it would be the children that suffer the most.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by RSR

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The original 1.4 IDI TCIC engined Super Ace may have been a flop, as its powertrain was meant for cars. But I see that Tata have re-launched Super Ace with a 1.4 DiCOR engine (which proved to be even more troublesome in their cars). They're calling it the Super Ace Mint now. With that DiCOR engine, I don't think this one will turn out to be a success either.

They have actually reduced the payload now. Now Ace Mint is at GVW 2250 Vs 2850 Kg of Dost.

Originally Posted by RSR

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So Ashok Leyland have made front leaf spring suspension standard on the Dost? Very good! With occurrences like this (even if they're very rare), one can understand why:

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It's actually a pity. Ashok Leyland originally equip the Dost with a superior and more comfortable front suspension, but the stupid overloading habit in India forces them to go back to the drawing board and upgrade (perhaps downgrade would be a better term) the suspension.

By the way, how does the nasty recent spat between Ashok Leyland & Nissan affect products like the Dost? In any divorce, it would be the children that suffer the most.

Fortunately Dost will escape even though diverse happens, as most of the engineering is done by AL including Power train. I guess Partner and Mitr will have a new power train post separation.

[GTO]

Livemint.com talks about Maruti's ever-delayed LCV.

The only blemish to the stellar record has been Maruti Suzuki’s plans to launch a light commercial vehicle (LCV), code-named Y9T. Due for launch in the last quarter of 2014-15, the vehicle has been delayed by 18 months.

“First time in over 30 years of company’s history, a product is delayed,” said a top company executive directly involved with the matter, on condition of anonymity.

Maruti Suzuki has been forced to go back to the design board and reconfigure the product entirely.

[volkman10]

Maruti is finally set to launch its LCV, likely to be in Aug - Sept 2016.

Code named Y9T, Maruti Suzuki has reportedly shared its plan with top vendors in Thailand last week and is likely to be eyeing annual volumes of 30,000 units from this business.





http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cnb...s_6490701.html

[volkman10]

Maruti's LCV revealed - petrol version. export version launch in June, Indian market launch later!

Maruti Super Carry (Suzuki Super Carry), which will have South Africa as its its launch market. India will manufacture and export the Super Carry to South Africa, among other markets.




Super Carry has a payload rating of 750 kg and is 3.8 meters long and 1.56 meters wide, and features a load deck measuring 2.18 x 1.49 meters. It has a ground clearance of 175 mm and a turning cycle of 8.6 meters diameter.
It rides on an independent front suspension featuring MacPherson struts and coil springs while a rigid axle and leaf springs perform duty at the rear.

The South African-spec Super Carry is powered by the 1.2-liter GB14 four-cylinder petrol engine with multi-point fuel injection. It develops 72 hp at 6,000 rpm and 101 Nm of torque at 3,000 rpm and is paired to a 5-speed manual gearbox driving the rear wheels. Suzuki claims the Super Carry is the “most fuel-efficient vehicle in its class”. It comes with a 3-year, 100,000 km warranty.

In India though, the Super Carry is expected to get the 0.8-liter twin-cylinder diesel engine used on the Celerio. A CNG/LPG option is also expected.

http://indianautosblog.com/2016/05/m...evealed-233319

[amtak]

While the vehicle looks good, the least that MSIL should do is, to provide air-conditioning as standard feature.

[abhishek46]

It is good to learn that MSIL is taking time to properly engineer this vehicle.

However, I am not too sure if the front suspension featuring MacPherson struts and coil springs will be robust enough for India.

These tiny things are overloaded to the core, and are often abused like hell. The Tata Ace is able to survive this abuse majorly because of leaf springs on both the front and back. This might be a major handicap for the Maruti.

[Omkar]

Maruti starts exporting Super Carry to South Africa, Tanzania

Maruti Suzuki has dispatched the first batch of 100 units of the India-made Maruti Suzuki Super Carry light commercial vehicle for shipping to South Africa and Tanzania.

For these two markets, the Super Carry gets a 1.2-litre, four-cylinder G12B engine mated to a 5-speed manual gearbox. It produces 71 BHP @ 6,000 rpm and a peak torque of 101 Nm @ 3,000 rpm.

Maruti Suzuki plans to export the Super Carry to SAARC nations as well. Based on the feedback received, it plans to explore opportunities to export the vehicle to other markets.

The Super Carry is expected to be launched in India in the second half of 2016. It will be powered by the E08 diesel engine that does duty in the Celerio hatchback. This motor is a twin-cylinder unit, which makes 47 BHP and 125 Nm of torque.

Maruti Suzuki will be setting up a separate retail channel in India for the Super Carry.

[volkman10]

Maruti Suzuki to launch its LCV in India this year.

The delayed launch is attributed to a change in design spec which was a mismatch to the market need. Will launch in select regions in its initial phase.

We will be launching the new LCV this year itself

http://auto.economictimes.indiatimes...-year/53375702

[landcruiser123]

I was reading about the Suzuki Carry on wiki. We have had the 7th and 8th generation Carry van as Maruti Omni and 10th generation as Maruti Versa..

Wondering what took Suzuki so much time to offer the same car with a flatbed.

[volkman10]

Maruti Suzuki launches LCV Super Carry.




Its sales will commence towards the end of August, and will initially be sold in three cities - Ahmedabad, Kolkata and Ludhiana.
It has been priced at Rs 4.03 lakh (Ahmedabad), Rs 4.11 lakh (Kolkata), and Rs 4.01 lakh (Ludhiana) - all prices ex showroom.

Driver comfort is the USP of the Super Carry. The spacious driver’s cabin gets ergonomically designed features like flat and extended co-passenger seat with thick glass fibre heat shield for better heat insulation and NVH, well-positioned gear lever and ergonomically placed pedals. On the features front, it gets a mobile charging socket, dual assist grip, odometer, trip meter, fuel meter, and digital clock, besides provision for a stereo. There is also an integrated rain guard, sliding back window glass, and conveniently located spare wheel carrier for ease of replacement.

Super Carry is powered by the 793 cc light weight and compact, 2-cylinder diesel engine. With a peak power of 24 KW @ 3500 RPM and max torque of 75 NM @ 2000 RPM. The compact engine is mated with the 5-speed manual transmission offers fuel efficiency of 22.07 Km per litre and maximum speed of 80 Kmph.
It offers a payload of 740 Kg in all terrains, and has a longer wheel base of 2110 mm. It measures 3800mm X 1562mm X 1868mm

Carry is offered with a warranty of 2 years / 72,000 KM (whichever is earlier).

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