[Antz123]

Hi All,

I was doing some study on Trucks and was looking at all the main manufacturers.

Tata, ALL, Volvo, MAN, Nissan, Mazda, M&M Navistar,AMW

I think these are the most prominent manufacturers. If there are any others do tell.

Reading posts here, learnt that how Tata is stronger up in North and ALL in South. How ALL is stronger in buses etc too. I wanted to pick your brains regarding Strength and Weakness of each brand. It would help me immensely in my study.

Thanks a lot

Antz

[julupani]

Has Nissan started production of CVs in India already? And was that not in collaboration with ALL?

You forgot to add MB to your list.

So, Antz123 for what purpose are you exactly looking for such a study?

As for the strengths and weaknesses of each brand, the lists are long, but you should find all of them if you go through the threads in this forum.

Also I would rather say, in the truck market, Tata is strong everywhere. I would put it as Tata completely dominates the north, while it is just decently strong in the south enjoying good competition with Leyland.

[Antz123]

ya my mistake Nissan with ALL and Daewoo with Tata.

I was trying and am still reading all possible threads anyways, just thought if i could get some focused thoughts might help me more.

study is to talk to a client regarding some NGO activity i plan to do with commercial vehicles

as a discipline always want to understand the category first, thus my reading out here

[Ashley2]

You had forgotten Scania, Hino,Daimler,Kamaz Vectra. Eicher Motors though its Volvo Eicher.

[Antz123]

I heard Volvo became 100% Indian subsidary etc so I didnt combine them.

Rest was reading Scania and Hino was very very very less.
Daimler was concentrating on Buses more.
Would check Kamaz and Vectra

[julupani]

Scania, Hino or Daimler havn't yet started their facilities I think.

Though yes Volvo Eicher is a major player you forgot.

As for Daewoo, dont expect Daewoo to come to India as a brand. And Daewoo trucks is not a partnership with Tata, but it is fully owned by Tata Motors. It is properly called Tata Daewoo Commercial Vehicles. TDCV will use the Daewoo brand for CVs only where such a brand already existed and was strong. In the rest of the world, they will be purely Tata trucks.

[Antz123]

ok my mistake again i thought volvo bought Eicher share but its the Azad groups share in bus division. CV are still with VE

will try and get understanding for them too

Is there any particular areas where Tata or ALL lack ?

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by julupani

TDCV will use the Daewoo brand for CVs only where such a brand already existed and was strong. In the rest of the world, they will be purely Tata trucks.

Even in territories where Daewoo brand is strong, TDCV can use the DAEWOO trade mark only on heavy trucks.

[julupani]

What do you mean "can" use??

Daewoo brand is used to sell the Prima 2axle models in Korea already.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by julupani

What do you mean "can" use??

"Can" use as in "legally entitled" to use. Tata's rights over Daewoo trade mark are said to be restricted to HCVs only since that's what Daewoo truck division made at the time of its acquisition by Tata. There's some restriction by way of truck-tonnage on TM's rights over Daewoo trademark.

Originally Posted by julupani

Daewoo brand is used to sell the Prima 2axle models in Korea already.

Prima is heavy segment.

It'll be interesting to see what Tata LCVs are called when they are launched in Korea.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Prima is heavy segment.

It'll be interesting to see what Tata LCVs are called when they are launched in Korea.

Prima range is availabe in LCV segment also.
The cab is a modular one so that it can be used for variety of platforms.

[julupani]

Dont think those count as LCVs exactly. The value you see there of 4.5/5ton is payload capacity and not GVW.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by julupani

Dont think those count as LCVs exactly. The value you see there of 4.5/5ton is payload capacity and not GVW.

Agreed. If I remember correctly, Tata is entitled to use the DAEWOO trademark on trucks having GVW exceeding 10 tonnes. I'm not able to locate the press report now but remember reading it.

[Ashley2]

Originally Posted by julupani

Dont think those count as LCVs exactly. The value you see there of 4.5/5ton is payload capacity and not GVW.

Though I agree with you that this is not LCV but in Indian context its an ICV.
But still Prima cannot be made smaller than this.
Also range from a 49 Tonner to 5 Tonner is itself indeed a big leap.

[julupani]

Actually its 5 to 75tonner, at least according to Indian standards. The 560bhp tractors are already available in Korea and a few other countries.