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16th August 2022, 22:54 | #16 | |||||
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I will probably go to a touch less car wash. But, we get so much rain here, I doubt if I will be washing the car as much. I will get the PPF coat done as soon as I get delivery. Quote:
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Quick Question : What is the difference between Wall Charging Connector vs. Mobile Connector? Quote:
M3P comes with a 82KWH battery pack so your math would slightly change. Quote:
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17th August 2022, 01:09 | #17 | |
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Technically, the charging speeds are different. Wall connector can charge the car upto 11kW (44miles/hr according to Tesla) but mobile connector only upto 7.7kW (30miles/hr). Since you already have 14-50 available, it is a no brainer to stick to mobile connector as it is cheaper and also you don't have to make any additional wiring changes (which is needed if you opt for a Wall connector). Here is small real life calculation: M3P has 82kWh for 0-100% SoC.On a regural basis, you will be charging only between 20-80% SoC ie 60% of full capacity or about 50kWh. With 7.7kW charger, the car should charge from 20% to 80% in about 7 hours. | |
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17th August 2022, 03:04 | #18 | ||
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There are several youtube videos by professional detailers on how to do this. Typically it takes about 30 min. or less to do the entire car. Personally, I do it every other week and so far car is in a pretty great shape. Once finished with the wash, it looks as if its been professionally detailed. For us Californians, it's a godsend since we have severe water restrictions due to multi year drought. Quote:
It is paired with actual mobile connector which is designed to be carried around in the car. One suggestion, if you are planning to use the existing 14-50 outlet, I'll get multiple 14-50 adaptors and keep one in car while keep other connected to your garage outlet. The existing 14-50 outlet is typically made to be plug and forget type use so frequent plugging in & unplugging it is not well tolerated and the outlet itself may wear out quickly. The standard and plug was developed for Dryers/AC etc. type uses where you don't frequently plug and unplug the connectors. Another great option for aesthetics is to actually use existing wiring with Tesla wall connector for additional $200 on top of the mobile connector cost. It will look sleek and wont cost you that much to install (you can actually do it yourself in 30 min. since everything is already there). Major cost is the wiring & circuit itself which you already have. Any handyman or you can simply take out existing outlet and put wall connector in its place, its very very easy and doesn't require any expertise. Remember, this will support only 50amp draw so you will not be able to fully utilize wall connector's potential since it needs 60Amp breaker to draw full 48Amp current which provides maximum charge rate. Basically, this solution will still provide higher charge rate than mobile connector and look aesthetically pleasing to the eye but not a must have. Most expensive (but still reasonably cheap option for your particular situation) option is to upgrade the existing 50Amp breaker to 60Amp and then put in wall connector. This will give you the maximum benefit but its an overkill considering it will require electrician's help to change breaker in the panel. Do this if you really really want a best solution for home charging and you are not going to change your home anytime soon. Personally, I have this last setup but my electrician had to do everything from scratch including wiring/new circuit breaker and labor & material cost to put in 14-50 vs wall connector was same. Hence I opted for wall connector for additional $200 bucks which also looks great. Last edited by lexusES350 : 17th August 2022 at 03:16. | ||
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17th August 2022, 04:24 | #19 | ||
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Edited : It looks like starting mid August, Tesla will resume including 14-50 adaptor in mobile connector kits again. Thats a great news for anyone yet to get one of those kits. Last edited by lexusES350 : 17th August 2022 at 04:31. | ||
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17th August 2022, 05:05 | #20 | |
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I usually wash my car 6-7 times a year, when it rains in California | |
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17th August 2022, 07:23 | #21 | ||||||
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I think this ONR solution is awesome for regular washes. Quote:
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[quote=lexusES350;5381461Another great option for aesthetics is to actually use existing wiring with Tesla wall connector for additional $200 on top of the mobile connector cost. It will look sleek and wont cost you that much to install (you can actually do it yourself in 30 min. since everything is already there). Major cost is the wiring & circuit itself which you already have. Any handyman or you can simply take out existing outlet and put wall connector in its place, its very very easy and doesn't require any expertise.[/QUOTE] Hmmm. Now you are tempting me to spend that extra 200 bucks and get the wall connector. But, I am a completely non-DIY person and may not be able to do it on my own. If you are willing to guide me on a FaceTime call then I don't mind coughing up that additional money. Quote:
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This brings me to a few additional questions (Sorry, If I am bombarding with questions but, I am enjoying learning this new way of driving an automotive) Queries related to charging recommendations : 1. Why charge only till 80%? 2. Why not let it drop below 20% charge level? 3. Any idea till what battery level can the Tesla be driven? Is it till 1% charge level? 4. Recuperssions of charging till 100% battery level at Home vs. Supercharger? 5. Since Tesla batteries have a life of 300,000-500,000 miles do we really have to worry so much about the level till when it should be charged? I note your Tesla Model 3 lost only 3% battery life after driving it for 48,000 kms, is that correct? Any other relevant points related to charging is appreciated. Quote:
But, as you rightly said, we get so much rain that car being dirty is a non-issue. Last edited by mobike008 : 17th August 2022 at 07:24. | ||||||
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17th August 2022, 07:27 | #22 | |
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Apply once every 6 months, and you have good enough paint protection to survive automatic car washes Pretty cheap with the prime deal nowadays (7$) | |
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17th August 2022, 09:35 | #23 |
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Both can draw something like 32A after which software limits the current draw. Wall charger stores the connector cable in a elegant way. Mobile connector was free in 2018, not anymore I guess. But amperage is same. I just added a big hook around which I store the mobile connector cable. |
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17th August 2022, 14:00 | #24 | |||
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Mine lost about 5.5% capacity in 3 years/48000kms. This is based on charging stats as attached in the first pic. So the degradation might slightly vary based on the levels of charging. As long as we stay within recommendations of Tesla, it should be minimal. Last edited by carthick1000 : 17th August 2022 at 14:02. | |||
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17th August 2022, 21:56 | #25 | |||
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1. Turn off breaker which powers the existing NEMA 14-50 outlet. 2. Unscrew existing outlet & take out wires. 3. Install baseplate of Tesla wall connector and thread existing wires you just unplugged through it. 4. Connect it to Tesla wall connector - Bare copper is ground which will go into Ground inlet and the rest two are Hot & Cold (usually Red & Black) which will go into other two respective inlets on wall connector. 5. Fix the faceplate, turn on power and perform initial setup by connecting wall connector to wi-fi. Pretty simple DIY since the circuit & breaker should already be there. If you are not willing to do it, I'm sure any handyman can do it for about 100 bucks or less. Quote:
Easiest solution for Avinash is to not do anything and use 14-50 adaptor with mobile connector. This will limit charge rate to that of mobile connector. Slightly more complicated but still easy is to take out 14-50 as explained above and put wall connector in its place. It should support somewhere around 36-40A pull depending on BMS calibration. Best solution but still cheaper than most such install for Avinash's case is to hire an electrician to switch out existing 50A breaker to 60A and then put wall connector in. This last option wont be too expensive in his case since wiring/conduit etc. is already there so its simple job for an electrician. Should probably cost less than 500 or so in labor charges as it wont take more than an hour of their time. Breaker cost is about $30 for industrial grade one or less than $15 for regular one from home depot. Rest is just labor charge since electrician will simply swap out existing breaker with new one and wire the wall connector by screwing in 3 wires. Most cost for install is around running the wires/creating conduits etc. which fortunately is not required for Avinash. Last edited by lexusES350 : 17th August 2022 at 22:01. | |||
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18th August 2022, 00:04 | #26 | ||||
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Where do you use the product and any pics of your results? Quote:
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If you lost 5.5% for 30,000 miles then if I do a linear math, it will lose 35% of battery capacity till 200,000 miles ( I doubt if any of us will own or drive till this number). This almost feels like we are talking not about a car but, about an iPhone. LOL! When does Tesla recommends to change the whole battery pack which we may never do it in our ownership period? Also, I hear its expensive at $16,000 What is SoC? You indeed have guts to drive until 2% which itself sounds crazy. And, it’s good to know you still have 10 miles of range left after hitting 0% (Other forums say the car comes to a standstill when it its 0% battery) Quote:
However, I want to take it slow and steady and start with mobile connector see if the speeds are acceptable. And, only if its not acceptable will go the other route. | ||||
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18th August 2022, 01:07 | #27 | ||
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Sure, I will send you a PM with the image. Is your home a 100A home or a newer 200A home with 50A free? If you have an older 100A home, please have an electrician explain what breakers are free and how he plans to jumper the breakers and achieve the 40A. Also talk to him about peak usage. You dont want to deal with fires as a result of peak usage (AC at night, plus washer/dryer, refrigerator use while you are charging). Do not bank on manually eliminating simultaneous use. Please get work that is ready for inspections and permits from the city, and comply to the city code. We live in houses made of paper and straw. If there is a fire, and the house/neighborhood burns down, you will go bankrupt, and judge can also garnish your future wages, if he proves that you were negligent. Even if you do not draw electric permits from the city, make sure it is ready to bring it up to code. I have had Solar for 6 years, and my Model3 for 4.5 years now. Both needed electric permits from the city. I have spoken/referred lots of friends who get a NEMA 14-50 socket installed. One of them went his own semi DIY way, and had huge burns on his hands while he messed around the breaker. So, please take extra care, we dont deal with high voltage on a daily basis, the 110V sockets are harmless, but not these. You have a lot of time before Tesla delivers the car, you can get the outlet installed after decent amount of research. Last edited by GutsyGibbon : 18th August 2022 at 01:18. | ||
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18th August 2022, 02:12 | #28 | |
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Rest of your post is spot on, everything depends on how circuits are designed and connected in panel but for most newer houses, it should be 200A split by various breakers & sub-panels. Builder should not have shared the EV Charger circuit with other equipment in the house. If they did, using mobile charger or not, issues will still happen if car is charging and say dryer getting turned on at same time if both share the circuit. Breaker will still trip in that type of a case. In such scenario, the circuits he currently has should not be upto code either since its not designed to handle peak draw of the outlet without being dependent upon other outlets on same circuit. City inspection/code etc. is required if sub-panel is getting altered as is the case with solar install or new installation of 60A breaker which I suggested as most ideal but expensive option. Thats what they are designed to do and ensure that breaker/outlets which are getting installed are upto code and wont cause fire. Installing wall connector on same existing circuit is not altering fundamentals of the system design hence not required to be inspected. Its already at the code assuming the existing outlet is at code. Last edited by lexusES350 : 18th August 2022 at 02:18. | |
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18th August 2022, 10:31 | #29 | |
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https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-gover...online-permits Avinash, Please look at regulations that apply to your city | |
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18th August 2022, 12:00 | #30 | |
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AFAIK, Tesla does not have any recommendation when to change the battery. At the current rate of degradation we are seeing, 300k miles + is easily doable without compromising too much on range. SoC is state of charge. | |
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