[viren83]

Holy Moly, this should be enough to give sleepless nights to Mahindra & TATA already. Well done MG! Windsor is the new Hector for MG dealers.

Maruti should be really worried about eVitara. Variant on Variant, they can't price eVitara at more than 50k premium. Heck, Maruti might have to price eVitara lower as Windsor has all features that anyone would want.

Hyundai can offer Creta Electric to ICE prospects, but eVitara has to pull a 20L customer to a 'Maruti' showroom. Going to be tough.

[saikishor]

I dont understand why it is so tough for MG to offer a rear wiper.

[evhead]

Originally Posted by viren83

Holy Moly, this should be enough to give sleepless nights to Mahindra & TATA already. Well done MG! Windsor is the new Hector for MG dealers.

Maruti should be really worried about eVitara. Variant on Variant, they can't price eVitara at more than 50k premium. Heck, Maruti might have to price eVitara lower as Windsor has all features that anyone would want.

Hyundai can offer Creta Electric to ICE prospects, but eVitara has to pull a 20L customer to a 'Maruti' showroom. Going to be tough.

Honestly, eVitara is a half hearted attempt. I sat in the back seat and immediately decided this is not I wanted.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by viren83

Holy Moly, this should be enough to give sleepless nights to Mahindra & TATA already. Well done MG!

I don't think Mahindra will be worried. Their lineup has far superior products, which will not be matched by even the next generation MG S5 (ZS EV successor). Mahindra just needs to be honest with their Pack 1 pricing for BE 6 and XEV 9e and make sure that they are available at announced prices instead of hiking prices quickly.

Windsor is the new Hector for MG dealers.

While the initial Hector sales were good, the later iterations are selling much worse. Hector's sales declined by 43% in FY25 vs FY24. MG's all other vehicle sales are also not doing much better. Windsor is the saving grace for MG dealers.

Maruti should be really worried about eVitara. Variant on Variant, they can't price eVitara at more than 50k premium. Heck, Maruti might have to price eVitara lower as Windsor has all features that anyone would want.

Hyundai can offer Creta Electric to ICE prospects, but eVitara has to pull a 20L customer to a 'Maruti' showroom. Going to be tough.

Tata, Maruti and Hyundai just trying to milk consumers with inferior products at inflated prices despite huge incentives (5% GST, PLI schemes, road tax waivers, etc.)

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

I don't think Mahindra will be worried. Their lineup has far superior products, which will not be matched by even the next generation MG S5 (ZS EV successor). Mahindra just needs to be honest with their Pack 1 pricing for BE 6 and XEV 9e and make sure that they are available at announced prices instead of hiking prices quickly.

While I agree with the rest of your post, I disagree with the part in Bold

MG S5 is a very practical SUV which exceeds what is offered at least by the 59 kWh Mahindras on paper.

The S5 comes with a 64 kWh battery in the EU and it is almost at par with the BE6 in terms of wheelbase but far ahead when it comes to carving out interior and boot space.

It has all the essentials that are on the 59 kWh Mahindras including the headline power figure of 232 bhp and a faster DC peak charging rate (140kW) AND it does a faster 0-100 time compared to the Mahindra BE6 (the faster of the twins). And let's not forget the Achilles heel of the BE6, the rear seat room, where it is trounced by the S5 (as per reviews).

It brings forth a very solid option if it is offered for a price at par with the BE6 59, i.e. slightly above what the Windsor is being sold at. If not for the geopolitics at play, it would be my default pick at that price.

The Windsor and the S5 combined will have pretty much the entire spectrum of EVs from 14-25 lakh firmly covered.

Data Source: https://ev-database.org/car/3147/MG-MGS5--EV-64-kWh

[ram7077]

Will there be any option in the near future to retrofit the automated tailgate feature from MG service itself, as we can see the dummy button option at the boot lid?

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

It brings forth a very solid option if it is offered for a price at par with the BE6 59, i.e. slightly above what the Windsor is being sold at.

Are you comparing the high end S5 with low end BE 6 and claiming that S5 has superior specs? We don't know the price yet, but we have only specs to compare so far. Are you also expecting MG to sell long range variant at similar price to BE 6 base variant? If not, then this comparison is mute because the base variant of BE 6 much better than S5 base variant.

MG S5:
49 kWh, 64 kWh batteries,
125 KW, 170 KW motors,
250 Nm, 350 Nm torque,
120 KW, 139 KW DC charging,
340 km, 480 km range (WLTP),
8s, 6.2s (0-100 kmph)

BE 6, XEV 9e:
59 kWh, 79 kWh batteries,
170 KW, 210 KW motors,
380 Nm, 380 Nm torque,
140 KW, 180 KW DC charging,
550 km range (79 kWh - WLTP),
6.7s (0-100 kmph)

Both BE 6 and XEV 9e have superior EV specs vs MG S5, except 0-100kmph time for the high-end S5 variant. The base BE 6 is closer to the S5 long-range variant. Also, Mahindra is providing a greater choice by launching two vehicles with close pricing between them. The original post said Mahindra would struggle with the launch of Windsor Pro, but that won't be the case even if MG undercuts BE6 by a decent amount with the S5 base variant.

Also, unlike Tata or Hyundai, Mahindra is proactive with its strategy of higher volumes for the last 3-4 years. They are constantly adjusting the variants and pricing for their ICE vehicles to maintain or grow the volumes, and they are being successful. They also revealed recently that consumers are looking for more range in base and mid variants, more than features with EVs. They will release the higher battery option lower variants sooner than later.

[APB98]

Hey guys, would like a honest opinion about the BaaS option.

When doing some basic calculations, it seems that opting for BaaS would actually be beneficial until you ride more than 1.11 lakh kms on it.
ie, there is a 5 lakh difference between the actual car vs the BaaS one (18.1 lakh vs 13.1 lakh). The rental rate is ₹4.5/km.
Which means a basic math of 5,00,000 rupees / 4.5 rupees per km = 1,11,111.111 kms.

Please let me know if I have made some silly mistake above (I know there would be). For instance I have not considered whatever running costs are applicable (I have solar power generation at my home, hence one day trips originating and ending at home would be of zero cost practically).

If someone could lay down the pros and cons of opting for BaaS, it would be great.

NB : My current Ecosport Diesel which has run only 1 lakh kms in 10 years. The same distance can be expected for the next 10 years as well.

[aim120]

We don't really know if MG will launch the S5 or the Yunhai.
Both are as per Chinese reviews designed to be meet Euro NCAP 5 star. But the Yunhai additionally also comes in a PHEV and the EV variant has a bigger battery 69 kWh battery, compared to the S5 which gets a 61 kWh battery.

Even the base variant of Yunhai has a bigger battery at 56.7 kWh that gets a CLTC range of 500km which allows it to be positioned higher than the Windsor Pro. Cloud EV gets 460km CLTC.

[NotJustAtoB]

Originally Posted by evhead

I am planning to buy the Windsor EV Pro. One feature which I really liked in MM Twins is the paddle based Regen. This will be very useful in highways for efficiency. You can have minimal or no regen setting, and still use paddle to slowdown on demand. (long press the paddle)

Yes, initial bit of travel on brake pedal engages regen, you can see the green circle with arrows icon on the smaller screen.
Difficult to say when the brakes actually kick in (got to focus on the road and not on the screen).

Would have loved paddle shifters.
Heck just give me steering mounted controls shortcut, like a long press or something.
The least they could give is a widget on that big screen.

[speed400]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

I don't think Mahindra will be worried. Their lineup has far superior products, which will not be matched by even the next generation MG S5 (ZS EV successor).

I've a disagreement with this. I'm one of those who are waiting for S5, just because of it's conventional looks and the reliability the brand has shown so far.
I don't like Mahindra's quirky styling, which I'm sure will be an eyesore in a few years compared to the S5's classy lines.

[Voltzzzzz]

Originally Posted by APB98

Hey guys, would like a honest opinion about the BaaS option.

When doing some basic calculations, it seems that opting for BaaS would actually be beneficial until you ride more than 1.11 lakh kms on it.
ie, there is a 5 lakh difference between the actual car vs the BaaS one (18.1 lakh vs 13.1 lakh). The rental rate is ₹4.5/km.
Which means a basic math of 5,00,000 rupees / 4.5 rupees per km = 1,11,111.111 kms.

There is no additional benefit of Baas over buying the car on loan as far as i understand. The battery rental starts from 4.5rs/km and increases subject to your credit score.
When i previously calculated the battery rental was almost equal to emi of loan of 3.5L @ 9% for 8 years (3.5 x 1500km = 5250), Exshowroom 12L + 3.5L battery. It must be something similar even now. Even the battery rental goes away after 8 years (Because it is a loan packaged as battery rental). Also once you purchase the car on Baas, the battery is still your headache. Insurance is paid for car plus battery not just for the car. If your state charges you road tax, then road tax is calculated on Car price including the battery ( 17.5L or 18.1L). If battery gets damaged, MG rejects warranty for some reason and the insurance is also not approved for some reason, then you have to replace the battery at your expense while still continuing to pay the battery rental.

The battery rental = principal amount + Interest. Some vendors who charge extra for kms above 1500km will adjust that amount towards principal repayment and the battery rental goes away before 8 years. So compare the Baas to loan and decide. Dont think in terms of 5L /4.5km.

My suggestion buy the car outright if possible. Or else pay downpayment and choose your bank (with least interest rate) to finance the remaining amount.

[ALTIMAed]

Originally Posted by ram7077

In Kia Seltos, it’s a Camera and Radar based ADAS and that’s why it is Level 2 ADAS whereas in Kia Sonet, it is just Level 1 ADAS due to the non presence of radar. So, the Level 2 features will work perfectly without the radar ?

As far as my knowledge goes

ADAS Level 1 - Longitudinal coverage (front and back of the vehicle)
ADAS Level 2 - Longitudinal and lateral coverage (in addition to the front and rear, the left and right side are covered)

Camera and radar or only usage of camera, does not differentiate L1 and L2
Experts - please comment

[aweracker]

Originally Posted by ALTIMAed

As far as my knowledge goes

ADAS Level 1 - Longitudinal coverage (front and back of the vehicle)
ADAS Level 2 - Longitudinal and lateral coverage (in addition to the front and rear, the left and right side are covered)

Camera and radar or only usage of camera, does not differentiate L1 and L2
Experts - please comment

You're right. Tesla's entire FSD works on just Vision right, ie. Cameras.

[APB98]

Can anyone who has driven the Windsor pro please explain if the ride quality (especially the way it handles bad roads) is better with the bigger battery ?

The only real problem with the lower variants were the stiff suspensions. For me, that is a deal breaker and that is even pushing me to look towards Curvv ev creative 45 variant !