Windows running on Apple Macs? Now possible...

turbo_v12 · 10th April 2006, 22:43

Apple (makers of the famous i-Pod) has declared that their laptops and desktops will officially offer Virtual Windows as a software integrated in the OS...so that more people who have the hang of Windows can use Macs.

I think this is bad news since I am really fond of the Mac, n dont want it to try to adjust to Windows...some OS it is far more superior to...

What do you guys say?

SLK · 10th April 2006, 23:06

Would that mean... it'll run softwares written for windows?... if not.. then not really.. useful.

turbo_v12 · 10th April 2006, 23:33

yes...it will...actually...it will run the entire Windows XP OS as a simulation in the Mac...all s/w, and settings and all.

Sahil · 10th April 2006, 23:38

Good news for me......always wanted to get an iBook with windows!

v.tec · 10th April 2006, 23:39

sounds really good!!! i guess i can finally go buy a mac then!

sinner · 10th April 2006, 23:40

ha ha this remindes me of a mail about apples new style laptop with invisible screen ,,, well this is what i'm talking about.

GTO · 11th April 2006, 09:49

Apple apparently will start offering its Macs with "Boot Camp" which allows you to load windows onto the mac.

I think its brilliant! One of the main reasons for their extremely limited market share is the lack of the windows OS.

MAC + Windows = Perfect. I know what my next laptop is going to be.

GTO

SLK · 11th April 2006, 10:09

.. But then.. whats the MAC about it?.. if its running windows?

I mean... its like replacing the Intel/AMD hardware with .. MAC hardware.

The main reason 'some' people liked MAC was b'coz of stability and less virusses. Both these attributes were b'coz of the OS and not the hardware.

Well, if MAC was to release its OS to run on the x86 hardware, then it'd be some compitition for Windows.

Having said that... I don't see new MAC sales going up b'coz of this move, though its a really valuable gift for existing MAC users.

The only 1 interesting point is.... your MAC now has 2 OSs... and you use windows for running windows specific softwares and MAC OS in routine.

am I missing something?

navin · 11th April 2006, 10:22

The object of getting a Mac was to stay away from Windows. Now that Apple is using Intel chips and integrating Windows into their products how do they intend to diffrentiate themselves from TOshiba, Lenovo, and the their like?

One possible solution is to run Windows as a Shell and leave the OS X kernel alone. that could provide the stability of Mac with the convienence of Windows. If anyone can succesfully execute this cross-pollination it will be Apple. This will allow business users to use Windows Office at work and then switch to "Apple mode" at home.

Guess? · 11th April 2006, 10:49

Whilst now I'm using Macs exclusively, I still require Windows for my office to run AutoCad. This will now solve my problem and now, I don't require two computers for everything. I was previously thinking of making my laptop a Sony Windows ones but just couldn't since my integration of files currently on my PowerBook is just too deep for me to make the move and I just wouldn't be comfortable, hence I bought a big black box.

Boot Camp is a dual boot solution, and not a Virtualization solution where you could run the OS under Mac OS X @ full processor speed. Look around the web, there are many benchmarks and all of them have said that equally equipped laptops/desktops have the same speed as Windows running on an Apple Computer.

navin · 11th April 2006, 10:56

that means that the computer is vulnerable to windows issues when in "windows mode"? right?

SLK · 11th April 2006, 11:05

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Originally Posted by navin

that means that the computer is vulnerable to windows issues when in "windows mode"? right?

Now since the MAC users are not used to frequent windows updates... antivirus updates.... they might just end up losing their MAC OS too... courtesy a windows virus like 'CIH'.

adya33 · 11th April 2006, 11:07

The title of the topic is misleading.
Apple will now offer Native support to Windows XP SP2 OS via boot camp.

EDIT:OS X was always supporting Windows OS virtually with help of Virtual PC
This is a great move by apple which will surely increase their market share.

Here is a review of Boot camp from www.winsupersite.com

As for people saying point of getting mac was to stay away from windows,
Mac hardware is state of the art. Many people will buy it for hardware only.
You can use Windows for software which are not available for OS X.
There aren't enough games available for OS X.
It will help people in easier hassle free switch.

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Well, if MAC was to release its OS to run on the x86 hardware, then it'd be some competition for Windows.

Apple have always said they are hardware company.
By this move PC companies like Dell, HP should be very afraid.

Also don't forget it will save some major bucks for software companies as they will be able to test cross platform compatibility on a single machine.

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Originally Posted by navin

The object of getting a Mac was to stay away from Windows. Now that Apple is using Intel chips and integrating Windows into their products how do they intend to differentiate themselves from Toshiba, Lenovo, and the their like?

Toshiba, Lenovo don't support OS X.

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Now since the MAC users are not used to frequent windows updates... antivirus updates.... they might just end up losing their MAC OS too... courtesy a windows virus like 'CIH'.

Windows XP SP2 can not access OS X filesystem out of the box. Also since Windows won't be running once in OS X so windows viruses won't be executed in OS X

turbo_v12 · 11th April 2006, 22:21

It says that the OS running on the computer at the selected instance will use all the memory of the computer.

So, if Windows does get a virus indeed (which probably cannot go into the Mac since the Mac partition cannot be accessed from within Windows), does that mean that if c:(windows drive) needs to be formatted and something of the Mac OS X has been stored on the C: then all that will be lost too?

That kinda does not work in favour of the Mac...does it?

adya33 · 11th April 2006, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_v12

It says that the OS running on the computer at the selected instance will use all the memory of the computer.

Like I said its native support.
Whatever selected OS will be using all resources.
It is same as dual booting. One OS runs at a time.

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So, if Windows does get a virus indeed (which probably cannot go into the Mac since the Mac partition cannot be accessed from within Windows), does that mean that if c:(windows drive) needs to be formatted and something of the Mac OS X has been stored on the C: then all that will be lost too?

That kinda does not work in favour of the Mac...does it?

If Mac files are stored in windows partition (which Mac can read/write) then after formatting yes all the files will be lost.
However no matter how crazy virus may be you can always log in from OS X & first copy files to other partition.
Also taking backup of data helps in times like these

10th April 2006, 22:43	#1
turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	Windows running on Apple Macs? Now possible... Apple (makers of the famous i-Pod) has declared that their laptops and desktops will officially offer Virtual Windows as a software integrated in the OS...so that more people who have the hang of Windows can use Macs. I think this is bad news since I am really fond of the Mac, n dont want it to try to adjust to Windows...some OS it is far more superior to... What do you guys say?
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turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	yes...it will...actually...it will run the entire Windows XP OS as a simulation in the Mac...all s/w, and settings and all.
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Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,360 Thanked: 8,090 Times	Good news for me......always wanted to get an iBook with windows!
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v.tec BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 251 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	sounds really good!!! i guess i can finally go buy a mac then!
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GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 71,873 Thanked: 323,110 Times View My Garage	Apple apparently will start offering its Macs with "Boot Camp" which allows you to load windows onto the mac. I think its brilliant! One of the main reasons for their extremely limited market share is the lack of the windows OS. MAC + Windows = Perfect. I know what my next laptop is going to be. GTO
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11th April 2006, 10:09	#8
SLK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 1,814 Thanked: 1,440 Times	.. But then.. whats the MAC about it?.. if its running windows? I mean... its like replacing the Intel/AMD hardware with .. MAC hardware. The main reason 'some' people liked MAC was b'coz of stability and less virusses. Both these attributes were b'coz of the OS and not the hardware. Well, if MAC was to release its OS to run on the x86 hardware, then it'd be some compitition for Windows. Having said that... I don't see new MAC sales going up b'coz of this move, though its a really valuable gift for existing MAC users. The only 1 interesting point is.... your MAC now has 2 OSs... and you use windows for running windows specific softwares and MAC OS in routine. am I missing something?
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11th April 2006, 10:22	#9
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,999 Times	The object of getting a Mac was to stay away from Windows. Now that Apple is using Intel chips and integrating Windows into their products how do they intend to diffrentiate themselves from TOshiba, Lenovo, and the their like? One possible solution is to run Windows as a Shell and leave the OS X kernel alone. that could provide the stability of Mac with the convienence of Windows. If anyone can succesfully execute this cross-pollination it will be Apple. This will allow business users to use Windows Office at work and then switch to "Apple mode" at home.
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Guess? BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mumbai Posts: 148 Thanked: 70 Times	Whilst now I'm using Macs exclusively, I still require Windows for my office to run AutoCad. This will now solve my problem and now, I don't require two computers for everything. I was previously thinking of making my laptop a Sony Windows ones but just couldn't since my integration of files currently on my PowerBook is just too deep for me to make the move and I just wouldn't be comfortable, hence I bought a big black box. Boot Camp is a dual boot solution, and not a Virtualization solution where you could run the OS under Mac OS X @ full processor speed. Look around the web, there are many benchmarks and all of them have said that equally equipped laptops/desktops have the same speed as Windows running on an Apple Computer.
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11th April 2006, 10:56	#11
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,421 Thanked: 9,999 Times	that means that the computer is vulnerable to windows issues when in "windows mode"? right?
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turbo_v12 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Thane Posts: 457 Thanked: Once View My Garage	It says that the OS running on the computer at the selected instance will use all the memory of the computer. So, if Windows does get a virus indeed (which probably cannot go into the Mac since the Mac partition cannot be accessed from within Windows), does that mean that if c:(windows drive) needs to be formatted and something of the Mac OS X has been stored on the C: then all that will be lost too? That kinda does not work in favour of the Mac...does it?
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