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Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom
(Post 5337479)
I was never sure what became of Netscape, but had an idea that it evolved into Mozilla/Firefox. Is that totally wrong? |
I have read some History of Browser articles. From what I remember, Marc Andersson who as a student at University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign wrote the first GUI Browser - Mosaic. Mosaic was free & shipped with Windows & also a few Unix systems. Andersson then founded Netscape as a for profit company & wrote Netscape from scratch. Netscape did very well as a paid browser. But then Microsoft developed Internet Explorer & started shipping it installed out of the box free with Windows. Now no one would pay money for Netscape anymore. So Netscape also became free. But since IE was out of the box with Windows, people wouldn't bother to download Netscape & use it since they already had a working browser IE - this was essentially the antitrust case against Microsoft. So Netscape as a company got shutdown & Mozilla came out of it as a non-profit, free, open source browser. Mozilla got bloated over time & I think some people forked Mozilla & created Firebird as a lightweight version of Mozilla. But then there was already some other software (not browser) which had the trademarked name Firebird. So Firebird was later renamed to Firefox.
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Originally Posted by msdivy
(Post 5337448)
15th June 2022 - The Internet Explorer desktop application will be retired and will go out of support. |
But the legacy will continue through Microsoft Edge as
Internet Explorer Mode lol:
Cheers!
I still use Thunderbird for mail.
I used Firefox since what seemed like for ever, even though it can't have been. I stuck with it for many years, and only changed when there became no choice in some of its design configuration, like, for instance, putting the tab headers in the wrong place.
Held out as long as I could, then shifted to Firefox fork Pale Moon. That's where I still am.
But, it seems that Google have taken over from MS's bad behaviour, and a lot of stuff is written with Chrome features needed. The dream of a standards-based, browser independent internet is as a dead now as it was when MS wielded its monopolistic fist. Just recently, it has become a bit too common an experience to encounter sites that don't work on Pale Moon.
I think this poll needs to be revised as Chrome is still listed as "the new kid on the block."
Speaking of Chrome, has anyone else felt that it has become very RAM-heavy lately? It consumes about 400 MB while running on my 8 GB laptop and hangs like heck.
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Originally Posted by aan nhu mare?
(Post 5337912)
I think this poll needs to be revised as Chrome is still listed as "the new kid on the block."
Speaking of Chrome, has anyone else felt that it has become very RAM-heavy lately? It consumes about 400 MB while running on my 8 GB laptop and hangs like heck. |
Lately? There is a running joke in tech circles that having 1TB RAM is good to have in your systems if you want Chrome to have more than one tab open.
Amul special doodle on Internet Explorer retirement after 27 years.

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Originally Posted by carboy
(Post 5337546)
From what I remember, Marc Andersson who as a student at University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign wrote the first GUI Browser - Mosaic. Mosaic was free & shipped with Windows & also a few Unix systems. |
This part is slightly misrepresenting the facts. While it is true that Andreessen (note the spelling) was the co-author of Mosaic, he wasn't the sole author. And it did not ship "with" Windows of the time.
Windows in those days (1993-ish) did not even have TCP/IP networking capability out of the box. It got its first browser (Netscape) several years later.
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Originally Posted by binand
(Post 5338228)
This part is slightly misrepresenting the facts. While it is true that Andreessen (note the spelling) was the co-author of Mosaic, he wasn't the sole author |
Yes, Eric Bina was the co-author.
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Originally Posted by binand
(Post 5338228)
And it did not ship "with" Windows of the time. Windows in those days (1993-ish) did not even have TCP/IP networking capability out of the box |
Mosaic was released in 1993. Check History of Winsock here -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock#Specifications Quote:
Originally Posted by binand
(Post 5338228)
It got its first browser (Netscape) several years later. |
Mosaic was ported to Windows in Sept 1993 -
https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/TimB...d/History.html
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Originally Posted by aan nhu mare?
(Post 5337912)
I think this poll needs to be revised as Chrome is still listed as "the new kid on the block."
Speaking of Chrome, has anyone else felt that it has become very RAM-heavy lately? It consumes about 400 MB while running on my 8 GB laptop and hangs like heck. |
Right .. this looks to be pretty old lol:
Edge is missing
Brave is missing
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Originally Posted by carboy
(Post 5338306)
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Winsock did not ship with Windows "out of the box". We had to borrow floppies of the TCP/IP stack and install it on individual computers if there was a need to connect a Windows computer outside of our (then) Netware LANs. The first version of Windows that had TCP/IP out of the box was I think Windows 95, after SP1 or whatever it was called in those days.
Whereas, Linux was pervasive. Mostly Slackware which was another set of floppies. :-)
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Originally Posted by carboy
(Post 5338306)
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OK. This I was not aware. I don't think anyone in our lab ever used Mosaic on Windows. We didn't even have many Windows computers in our labs (the only reason to have one was to use ChiWriter, but with the popularity of LaTeX that was also obsolete).
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Originally Posted by binand
(Post 5338328)
The first version of Windows that had TCP/IP out of the box was I think Windows 95, after SP1 or whatever it was called in those days. |
You are probably right. I read the history in articles & was quoting it from memory.
I think Mosaic shipped out of the Box with whichever Windows version first shipped TCP/IP.
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Originally Posted by binand
(Post 5338328)
Whereas, Linux was pervasive. Mostly Slackware which was another set of floppies. :-) |
Linux was pervasive in 1993?
On the server side, I would assume Unix was pervasive back then. And on Desktop, probably Mac & Windows 3.1. And there wasn't probably a lot of desktops anyway back then.
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Originally Posted by carboy
(Post 5338338)
Linux was pervasive in 1993? |
Yeah, Slackware was released sometime around then. Linux was lapped up by academic institutions around the world, my college was no exception.
But even before that - there were enterprising souls who compiled Linux from source and replaced all dumb terminals in our computer lab with diskless, floppy-booting Linux machines.
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Originally Posted by carboy
(Post 5338338)
On the server side, I would assume Unix was pervasive back then. And on Desktop, probably Mac & Windows 3.1. And there wasn't probably a lot of desktops anyway back then. |
In my first year, the computer lab had a
CDC-180 running NOS/VE. I don't remember much about this one (we only had an introductory Fortran course). By the time I was in more senior years and had to write code as part of coursework we had Unix access everywhere (Sun workstations and Linux x86's). What I remember is that faculty members got 486 and Pentiums first, while poor students had to make do with their discards.
Hardly anyone used Windows as far as I can recall, though.
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