Esteem 99 vs Palio 2001 vs .....

FATAL3RROR · 6th March 2007, 12:43

Hey ppl!

I have been looking for a used car the last few weeks...2 cars which I am considering are:
1. Nov 1999 Esteem LX at 1.40 lacs (no nego till now)
2. Dec 2001 Palio 1.2 also arnd 1.40

My budget is max 1.5lacs. Would you guys suggest somethin else also in this range? (late 90s astras,escorts,zens?)

My expectations from this car - A good highway companion as I plan to go on long road trips in this one, decent mileage (not a priority) and maintenance costs(a priority). As I will be using this car only for say, the next 2 years, I would expect a decent price for the vehicle then.

Thanks a Ton,
Fatal3rror

karizma_devil · 6th March 2007, 14:04

1.2 palio for 1.4 is 20k more ..

FATAL3RROR · 6th March 2007, 14:19

hey karizma_devil...I havent negotiated on the prices yet. I think even the esteem is abt 10-15k more...
given that the palio comes down to 1.2, do u think its a better deal fr me?

FATAL3RROR · 6th March 2007, 14:37

if i can negotiate the cost to 1.2-1.25 lacs, do u think its a good deal? better than the esteem?

higautham · 6th March 2007, 15:30

it depends on the condition of the vehicle. how much is the odo, how may owners, tyres, etc... if all these looks ok for u then its an ok deal.
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Akshay1234 · 6th March 2007, 17:45

the esteem.. its maintainence costs would be lower than the palio.

chanapli · 6th March 2007, 18:04

Go for esteem. It is a proven car as entry level sedan. Finding a workshop - easy. Maintanance cheap too.

rr_zen · 6th March 2007, 21:51

Esteem would be a better buy ! The factors that contribute to this suggestion are:

1. Easy and cheaper maintenance
2. Driving pleasure
3. Reliability
4. Decent fuel efficiency
5. Pride of ownership

The above stems from the fact that yours truly owns an Esteem for the last 4 years and has personally experienced all of the above.

sreedotk · 6th March 2007, 22:27

Even though both cars are good for you i think Esteem would do better

Pro's for the esteem
1. You can get it fixed in every corner of India, for going long drives in rural areas it is better to have a car that can get fixed in the same place than having to tow it back to town.

2. Would be cheaper in the Spares area and availability of them. Though fiat Spares are not exactly expensive it might be a spot of bother for now to get them

3. Resale value .. Well it might get you better money when you sell.

As for the Palio

1. It is built like a tank
2. You are getting a MPFI engine vis a vis a Carb in Esteem
3. The ride is sweeter for a palio

All the above suggestions would be moot if the Palio has run say 50K where as the Esteem had run 100K . So the mileage and general outlook of the car also play in a big role.

Also considering you are in Pune you might be able to get a cheaper deal in Mumbai if you can spare a trip and may be find a newer better palio for around 1.5 instead of trying to get the value down on the present deals. May be Mumbaiker members can help

As for me i have a Palio

gemithomas · 6th March 2007, 22:57

"My expectations from this car - A good highway companion as I plan to go on long road trips in this one, decent mileage (not a priority) and maintenance costs(a priority). As I will be using this car only for say, the next 2 years, I would expect a decent price for the vehicle then. "

Why do you ask!! Its the Palio and nothing else. If you dont belive me take the two vehicles for a drive on the highway. You wont believe the difference in the ride comfort and the confidence you'll get in the FIAT unless you experience it first hand. The only thing that could matter is the availability of spares. But with the new palio on the block you just wont have to worry since anyways you plan to keep the vehicle only for 2 years. But ensure that the palio has been treated well by the earlier owner. Parts are not that costly. and more over you wont need the change anything frequently since they are of good quality. You just need to enquire how the guys at the service centre near to you are. Just meet them up and talk to them. Get friendly with someone out there and i'm sure they'll take care you your vehicle. I guess with TVS out of the scene things would be far better. Anyways Best of luck and do use your seatbelts and please...please dont use your mobile while you drive.

kkr2k2 · 6th March 2007, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by karizma_devil

1.2 palio for 1.4 is 20k more ..

do you mean to say 1.2 for 1.2 for the 2001 model !!!....
damn!!!, i was doubtful to buy an used alto or santro(with ac and power-steering) for that money.

OT: how does the 1.2 palio behave for a city usage??? and what would be the expected repairs say if the car has run for about 50,000km. and fianlly is it fine to buy a palio 1.2 which has run about 50,000km.

sushanthr77 · 6th March 2007, 23:36

The 1999 Esteem would be nothing but a rattling bunch of metal components held together by rusted nuts and bolts. In case you buy this, do remember to be gentle over speed breakers.

BTW, the Palio's wheelbase is longer than the Esteem's. Add to that, it is wider, heavier and higher than the Esteem. Did I forget to mention that it also has better ground clearance, more head room and more leg room! And if I am not wrong, the Palio 1.2, 2001 is also more powerful than the 1999 Esteem.

In case you buy the Palio, get a good polish job done after a wash. You'll be in for a pleasant surprise!

FATAL3RROR · 7th March 2007, 11:16

hey guys!
thnks fr ur inputs...but i think im more confused now!

I am more inclined towards the palio....the fact that it has an mpfi engine n is newer makes it more attractive. (no offence esteem fans!)
my only concerns are the resale price n the mileage...

karizma_devil · 7th March 2007, 12:04

@fatal i have been driving an esteem for last 6 years.the car used to be good,but if the esteem you are looking at has done more than 80 k forget it!! i suppose after 100k esteems are

"The 1999 Esteem would be nothing but a rattling bunch of metal components held together by rusted nuts and bolts. In case you buy this, do remember to be gentle over speed breakers.

" - sushanthr77

so its your call, you can get good opel corsa royal @1.8 at mumabi-2002 car.

even 1.6 ikons -2001 cars @ 1.7

abot esteems fe its about 14 km/ltr

pawan_pullarwar · 7th March 2007, 12:28

Palio is the best for highway crusing. Once you drive palio you woudnt love any driving any other car. My friend recently bought used Palio 1.2 sports. And his dad is using carb Esteem. He said Esteem is no where once you drive Palio. He is getting 15+ mileage on highway with AC at 100+ KMPH, while city mileage he is getting is 10 KMPH with AC 100%.
But you said low on maintanance that can be expected on used Esteem. because Maruti are known for low maintanance.

6th March 2007, 12:43	#1
FATAL3RROR BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 116 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	Esteem 99 vs Palio 2001 vs ..... Hey ppl! I have been looking for a used car the last few weeks...2 cars which I am considering are: 1. Nov 1999 Esteem LX at 1.40 lacs (no nego till now) 2. Dec 2001 Palio 1.2 also arnd 1.40 My budget is max 1.5lacs. Would you guys suggest somethin else also in this range? (late 90s astras,escorts,zens?) My expectations from this car - A good highway companion as I plan to go on long road trips in this one, decent mileage (not a priority) and maintenance costs(a priority). As I will be using this car only for say, the next 2 years, I would expect a decent price for the vehicle then. Thanks a Ton, Fatal3rror
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6th March 2007, 14:04	#2
karizma_devil BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 421 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	1.2 palio for 1.4 is 20k more ..
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6th March 2007, 14:19	#3
FATAL3RROR BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 116 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	hey karizma_devil...I havent negotiated on the prices yet. I think even the esteem is abt 10-15k more... given that the palio comes down to 1.2, do u think its a better deal fr me?
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6th March 2007, 14:37	#4
FATAL3RROR BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 116 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	if i can negotiate the cost to 1.2-1.25 lacs, do u think its a good deal? better than the esteem?
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6th March 2007, 15:30	#5
higautham BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 95 Thanked: Once	it depends on the condition of the vehicle. how much is the odo, how may owners, tyres, etc... if all these looks ok for u then its an ok deal. http://www.lovepostcards.net/288100 )))))))))))))))
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6th March 2007, 17:45	#6
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,317 Times	the esteem.. its maintainence costs would be lower than the palio.
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6th March 2007, 18:04	#7
chanapli BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Banglaore Posts: 270 Thanked: Once	Go for esteem. It is a proven car as entry level sedan. Finding a workshop - easy. Maintanance cheap too.
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6th March 2007, 21:51	#8
rr_zen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 1,799 Thanked: 400 Times View My Garage	Esteem would be a better buy ! The factors that contribute to this suggestion are: 1. Easy and cheaper maintenance 2. Driving pleasure 3. Reliability 4. Decent fuel efficiency 5. Pride of ownership The above stems from the fact that yours truly owns an Esteem for the last 4 years and has personally experienced all of the above.
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6th March 2007, 22:27	#9
sreedotk BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 247 Thanked: 90 Times	Even though both cars are good for you i think Esteem would do better Pro's for the esteem 1. You can get it fixed in every corner of India, for going long drives in rural areas it is better to have a car that can get fixed in the same place than having to tow it back to town. 2. Would be cheaper in the Spares area and availability of them. Though fiat Spares are not exactly expensive it might be a spot of bother for now to get them 3. Resale value .. Well it might get you better money when you sell. As for the Palio 1. It is built like a tank 2. You are getting a MPFI engine vis a vis a Carb in Esteem 3. The ride is sweeter for a palio All the above suggestions would be moot if the Palio has run say 50K where as the Esteem had run 100K . So the mileage and general outlook of the car also play in a big role. Also considering you are in Pune you might be able to get a cheaper deal in Mumbai if you can spare a trip and may be find a newer better palio for around 1.5 instead of trying to get the value down on the present deals. May be Mumbaiker members can help As for me i have a Palio
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6th March 2007, 22:57	#10
gemithomas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,366 Thanked: 143 Times View My Garage	"My expectations from this car - A good highway companion as I plan to go on long road trips in this one, decent mileage (not a priority) and maintenance costs(a priority). As I will be using this car only for say, the next 2 years, I would expect a decent price for the vehicle then. " Why do you ask!! Its the Palio and nothing else. If you dont belive me take the two vehicles for a drive on the highway. You wont believe the difference in the ride comfort and the confidence you'll get in the FIAT unless you experience it first hand. The only thing that could matter is the availability of spares. But with the new palio on the block you just wont have to worry since anyways you plan to keep the vehicle only for 2 years. But ensure that the palio has been treated well by the earlier owner. Parts are not that costly. and more over you wont need the change anything frequently since they are of good quality. You just need to enquire how the guys at the service centre near to you are. Just meet them up and talk to them. Get friendly with someone out there and i'm sure they'll take care you your vehicle. I guess with TVS out of the scene things would be far better. Anyways Best of luck and do use your seatbelts and please...please dont use your mobile while you drive.
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6th March 2007, 23:36	#12
sushanthr77 BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mangalore / DXB Posts: 280 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	The 1999 Esteem would be nothing but a rattling bunch of metal components held together by rusted nuts and bolts. In case you buy this, do remember to be gentle over speed breakers. BTW, the Palio's wheelbase is longer than the Esteem's. Add to that, it is wider, heavier and higher than the Esteem. Did I forget to mention that it also has better ground clearance, more head room and more leg room! And if I am not wrong, the Palio 1.2, 2001 is also more powerful than the 1999 Esteem. In case you buy the Palio, get a good polish job done after a wash. You'll be in for a pleasant surprise!
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7th March 2007, 11:16	#13
FATAL3RROR BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 116 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	hey guys! thnks fr ur inputs...but i think im more confused now! I am more inclined towards the palio....the fact that it has an mpfi engine n is newer makes it more attractive. (no offence esteem fans!) my only concerns are the resale price n the mileage...
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7th March 2007, 12:04	#14
karizma_devil BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: mumbai Posts: 421 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	@fatal i have been driving an esteem for last 6 years.the car used to be good,but if the esteem you are looking at has done more than 80 k forget it!! i suppose after 100k esteems are "The 1999 Esteem would be nothing but a rattling bunch of metal components held together by rusted nuts and bolts. In case you buy this, do remember to be gentle over speed breakers. " - sushanthr77 so its your call, you can get good opel corsa royal @1.8 at mumabi-2002 car. even 1.6 ikons -2001 cars @ 1.7 abot esteems fe its about 14 km/ltr
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7th March 2007, 12:28	#15
pawan_pullarwar BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pune - Now in Munich, Germany Posts: 778 Thanked: 129 Times	Palio is the best for highway crusing. Once you drive palio you woudnt love any driving any other car. My friend recently bought used Palio 1.2 sports. And his dad is using carb Esteem. He said Esteem is no where once you drive Palio. He is getting 15+ mileage on highway with AC at 100+ KMPH, while city mileage he is getting is 10 KMPH with AC 100%. But you said low on maintanance that can be expected on used Esteem. because Maruti are known for low maintanance.
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