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Originally Posted by Perakath (a) You got your car back in time
(b) You don't seem to have issues with spurious parts or parts being replaced without authorisation
Edit: By the way, kudos for deliberately putting your money where everyone's
mouth is. |
1. Actualy the car was ready before time. They couldnot deliver it as I was not in town.
2. Right now it is too early to say if the parts were spurious or not. I did get the old parts back and am keeping them incase someone on TBHP wants to inspect them. Farhan might.
3. So much has been said about Skoda's service on TBHP. My view was that unless someone really and truly tried out the service and documents just the facts (no opinion - just the facts) we would not know if Skoda is listening to all the noise we are making.
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Originally Posted by ajayr Did you try to meet Ms.Meghna Choksey while at Autobahn? |
If it served a purpose I would. My only meeting was with Mr. Liyakat Chajju becuase that served a purpose.
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Originally Posted by Jaggu Clutch replaced for tightness, without trying out other options? !!!
AC radiator + etc etc coz AC cooling had gone down, if its a leak it will die down completely!!! How did they diagnose it was leaking?
Navin this went a lil too far for my liking. |
True Skoda could have tried bleeding the clutch or some other techniques. What I think Skoda did was to change every part they felt was even slightly out of wack becuase in my meeting with Liyakat Chajju I had stressed that I am quite particular as to how my car should function.
Even now I do not find the clutch is as soft as the car originally was when I first bought it. After driving it over the weekend Autobahn has agreed to furter tune the clutch and brakes to my specific needs.
In my younger days (ages 23-26) I used to live only a few miles from Limerock CT and have raced there often. So I understand a little of what a car feels like when it is 'race-tuned'. I am a big fan of Alain Prost's style of driving.
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Originally Posted by ajmat My clutch is fine
Since I have the diagnostics and give them the fault codes - there is very little leeway with me!! |
VAS/VAG codes wont tell you if the clutch is too hard or the brake discs need remachining or the AC coil has a leak will they?
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Originally Posted by GTO No other car in the 10 - 20 lakh segment costs as much to service / maintain as the Octavia / Laura.
the difference between after-market and authorised can run upto 4 TIMES as much (My mercs engine mounts cost 7,000 in the aftermarket for OEM parts and 30,000 at Merc authorised). That's the point being made here.
This is overcharging, this is obscene pricing, this is blatant exploitation of the customer. |
Good point. THis is exaclty what I am trying to get at. If I spent 65K on the service listed on post 1 (clutch, brake, ac coil, etc..) what would a simialr service of a Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla cost? More importantly would a Civic or Corolla even need service at 30K. For example would the cluch of a Corolla or Civic even show signs of getting hard/stiff at 30K?
So there are 2 points to be determined here.
1. When do other cars in this segment need to be serviced so that their performance is as good as when first bought
2. What do the same parts for other cars (Civic, Corolla, etc..) cost?
This will tell us if how much more expensive a vRS is to maintain when compared to cars costing the same. That the vRS is much more fun to drive than the Corolla (and maybe the Civic) is another argument.
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Originally Posted by Perakath Okay, GTO. It's just that after reading Navin's posts I got the impression that the service charges, while perhaps inflated, didn't bother him overly. (Not to mean that he's careless with money or anything!) And, as I said, he was lucky enough to get his vehicle back in time with genuine parts. |
Perakath, I am not one who is easily flustered. Nothing other than the health of my friends and family upsets me - even then my usual reaction is stoic action.
As to if the parts used were genuine I cant say. I have not inspected each part used. I do have a box of old parts that were supposed to have been removed from my car. As much as everyone prefers to lable SKoda (or Honda) guilty, I will not unless the evidence is clear (as was in Harish's case).
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Originally Posted by benbsb29 Navin, what i will now state is a rather frank opinion. I believe you have been rather magnanimous with respect to the amount of money you just shelled out for this service.
For one, i cannot fathom as to how a clutch needs to be replaced at just around 30k kms, and just because it feels hard?! We have a thread about Swifts and their weak clutches, but this just takes the cake. You have even mentioned that you do not ride the clutch. I am stunned.
Secondly, Jaggu has made a very valid point about the A/C evaporator. You felt the cooling had reduced, and replaced the cooling coil?!
Go over the bill again and think again. Was this bill which was presented to you justified? I think not, and i get the feeling many others dont as well. |
I WANTED the clutch to feel the same as it did when I first bought the car. Even now it is not. It is a big improvement but it is not exact and I can be damn near nutty when it comes to knowing exactly what I WANT.
The fun of the vRS is the smooth transfer of power, the soft clutch, the easy revving engine and the way it handles even on roads that are dusty and offer little help with traction.
No point having a vRS when it drives like a Corolla. Right?
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Originally Posted by Jaggu Unless Navin has more facts which he hasnt shared till now.
3) Pressure plate or release bearing can cause the issue, but this has to be confirmed by process of elimination of other parts/causes. |
Jaggu to be honest my gut feel is/was that the release bearing was the main culprit. I should have communicated the same to Autobahn but doing so would then enable them to say "you said only change the release bearing".
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Originally Posted by vid6639 Did you get back all the old parts?
Navinji, Although the service is pretty comprehensive, I have a feeling that the only thing that has been done is replace all the parts you had a concern with. Even if that means that the part was still functioning fine.
Rather than analyse and diagnose and try to fix or say that there is no need to change they have just gone ahead liberally changing parts even before they were anywhere close to failing.
Ofcourse this may not apply to all parts. Say the clutch, did they try changing the play, check the clutch cable, check the clutch fluid, check the clutch cylinders?
Also did they ask you before changing these parts or did you give them a free hand. |
Viddy I did miss your post earlier. Thanks for the repeat becuase you raise valuable points. Since you know me you know how I think.
1. I did not give them a free hand but did ask them to give me their diagnosis in which Autobahn recommeneded a change in clutch plate and not just bleeding the clutch. I guess bleeding the clutch would have only made is a bit softer while I wanted the 'tap-soft' clutch that had made me fall in love with the car in the first place.
Like I said before I could have pushed the car another 10-20K with the existing clutch. My chauffer was not complaining and I just started borrowing my wife's ANHC when I wanted to go out.
2. If Skoda wanted to replace parts without discreation they would have recomended changing the brake discs but they recommened only machining the discs so that they are useable again. Still I believe that a finer maching job could have been done. I will remove the tyres on Sunday and post more on Monday.
So Autobahn-Skoda/Liyakat, watch out this time you got a real monkey on your back.
The long and short of it.
So far while the parts and labour
costs are on the
high side and the replacement of parts very
premature Autobahn has been fully cooperative in addressing all my complaints. The only issue I still have not cleared is was the throttle body cleaned? I will address this with them when my clutch goes for tuning.
However this is only the
begining of this story. I want to drive the car for a while and only then will we know if the car was at the least serviced competently which is more than we can say for many other TBHPians (as per their statements on TBHP).
I intend to take it for a drive on Sunday alone. Just me and the car. On the highway, on worli sea face, on marine drive. I want to know if the car will be there when I hit the brakes in an emergency or if I take a turn a bit fast (and get the tail out a bit). For this sort of testing I prefer to be alone. No distractions. Not even ICE - I usually hum to myself when in this zone.