[maverick030581]

Originally Posted by Sahil

How do you register on your relatives address? The address proof must state your name on it.

Hey Sahil,

You can get it done via the NAP(No Address Proof) option.No proof required via this route.Basically what he meant was,rather than giving a fake address(which many people do) its a little better to give the genuine address of a relative who lives there.

[Sahil]

Originally Posted by maverick030581

Hey Sahil,

You can get it done via the NAP(No Address Proof) option.No proof required via this route.Basically what he meant was,rather than giving a fake address(which many people do) its a little better to give the genuine address of a relative who lives there.

Is NAP legal? Every agent asks for proper proof these days. Or else pay the bribe and get a fake address, which is not advisable.

[maverick030581]

Originally Posted by Sahil

Is NAP legal? Every agent asks for proper proof these days. Or else pay the bribe and get a fake address, which is not advisable.

Yup it must be legal,else why would the RTO have such an option?
Btw I have asked many agents and they all themselves suggest this route to save on the nonsense of octroi.Have seen many people doing this.

[Ash-NewCar]

Hey Guys..

The RTO is getting very strict these days.. A friend is a RTO Officer and tells me that soon they will have all licenses as samrt cards and then they wil upgarde the machinery to catch these funny people with no address proof or sidey proffs doen through agents etc...


Better use a relative's address in Pune/Thane etc or pay up... its only around 20 K diff but atleast you will have peace of mind..

[Anthym]

I was facing a similar situation when I bought a second hand Santro last month. The car was Thane registered and I had a Mumbai address.
A lot of RTO agents / dealers advised me aganist paying the octroi in Mumbai and fake a thane address.
But I went ahead and paid the octroi which comes to around 4-4.5% of the price of the car.
For me the following logic dictated:
- when I am already shelling out more than 2 lakhs as the price of the car, I can always pay the extra 10K. I rather hassle on the price of the car than the statuatory fees.
- In cases of claiming insurance, major accidents or reporting cases of theft etc where you will need to get into a legal tangle such as file a police FIR, it would be beneficial to have all the legal details in place - Be on the right side of the law when things matter

[maverick030581]

Originally Posted by Ash-NewCar

Hey Guys..

The RTO is getting very strict these days.. A friend is a RTO Officer and tells me that soon they will have all licenses as samrt cards and then they wil upgarde the machinery to catch these funny people with no address proof or sidey proffs doen through agents etc...


Better use a relative's address in Pune/Thane etc or pay up... its only around 20 K diff but atleast you will have peace of mind..

I'd agree,atleast it gives you peace of mind.Although even my friends who have registered in Thane under phony addresses have not lost any sleep
And neither any money.Of course we all know how "fast" the RTO is at computerizing things.
IIRC there is a proposal in progress to ban the octroi for Mumbai as it is a prehistoric thing only followed here, nowhere else in the world.If that happens soon we'll see a huge queue for change in registration from Thane to Mumbai as long as the actual distance I'm sure

[Maverick1977]

If you are questioned and are not able to give a satisfactory answer then a hefty fine would be slapped on you. As far as I remember this is almost 10 times the octroi that one would have to pay. This will result in all the savings getting nullified in a jiffy.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by Sahil

How do you register on your relatives address? The address proof must state your name on it.

Originally Posted by maverick030581

Hey Sahil,

You can get it done via the NAP(No Address Proof) option.No proof required via this route.Basically what he meant was,rather than giving a fake address(which many people do) its a little better to give the genuine address of a relative who lives there.

Originally Posted by maverick030581

Yup it must be legal,else why would the RTO have such an option?
Btw I have asked many agents and they all themselves suggest this route to save on the nonsense of octroi.Have seen many people doing this.

Its legal. For No address proof option they take 3500 bucks approximately.

Originally Posted by Maverick1977

If you are questioned and are not able to give a satisfactory answer then a hefty fine would be slapped on you. As far as I remember this is almost 10 times the octroi that one would have to pay. This will result in all the savings getting nullified in a jiffy.

Very long shot, I had a bhiwandi registered 800 in ghatkopar for 10 years, A bhiwandi registered sumo in ghatkopar for 12 years and now a bhiwandi registered swift since one and half months.
Once you get the permanent number they cant do anything. U have a relative/factory/house there so u registered it there, u are just going to your other house is the standard reply.

Offcourse if they catch the car at the octroi naka when its on temp registration and you are not able to furnish the octroi documents then you are in a soup but once registered, think only about having fun

[maverick030581]

Originally Posted by humyum

Its legal. For No address proof option they take 3500 bucks approximately.


Very long shot, I had a bhiwandi registered 800 in ghatkopar for 10 years, A bhiwandi registered sumo in ghatkopar for 12 years and now a bhiwandi registered swift since one and half months.
Once you get the permanent number they cant do anything. U have a relative/factory/house there so u registered it there, u are just going to your other house is the standard reply.

Offcourse if they catch the car at the octroi naka when its on temp registration and you are not able to furnish the octroi documents then you are in a soup but once registered, think only about having fun

+1 to that.Have had some cars in my friends/acquaintances circle run for years on fake addresses,been used extensively all over Mumbai with many outstation trips without a single hassle/fine.

[EagleEye]

Dear all,

I see this is an old thread, butI have the exact same query. Only now the price differential has increased, I will be able to save 37,000 rupees if I register outside Mumbai.

As people have mentioned it is a risky affair messing with fake addresses, so I will only do it if there's a legal loophole like NAP (No Address Proof) available. If anyone has done this in the recent past, please let me know how I can too.

Regards.

[ghodlur]

Originally Posted by EagleEye

As people have mentioned it is a risky affair messing with fake addresses, so I will only do it if there's a legal loophole like NAP (No Address Proof) available. If anyone has done this in the recent past, please let me know how I can too.

Thats not encouraged, not atleast on T-BHP forum.

The only legal loop hole is you have some time before the law catches you. But eventually it does. There have enquiries going on in Thane esp in my area when some RTO guys had been on rounds looking for such defaulters. If found, the penalty might be quite hefty too.
So take a call.

[EagleEye]

Originally Posted by ghodlur

The only legal loop hole is you have some time before the law catches you. But eventually it does. There have an enquiry going on in Thane esp in my area when some RTO guys had been on rounds looking for such defaulters. If found, the penalty might be quite hefty too.
So take a call.

Then it is much better to pay the tax and have peace of mind.

[noopster]

Absolutely not. IMHO you must always have your correct address on the registration, if only for the banal reason that the cops should be able to track you/your family down in case of any eventuality.

I'm glad that from all accounts the RTO is getting vigilant: these nonsense practices need to be ended once and for all.

I find the whole concept of differential taxing in areas of close proximity ridiculous. The entire Mumbai/Thane/Navi Mumbai/ Pune/PCMC belt should be brought under one regime for automobile taxing purposes. Hell, it's the same state. Octroi is an obsolete concept and should be the first to go!

On a lighter note, I was the proud "homeowner" of a farmhouse in Panvel back in 2000 when my Accent was registered at MH-06 (Pen RTO). My DSA fake-addressed me to save on some money (no idea how much). Since I was living in Navi Mumbai anyway nobody ever stopped or questioned me!

[ghodlur]

Originally Posted by noopster

I find the whole concept of differential taxing in areas of close proximity ridiculous. The entire Mumbai/Thane/Navi Mumbai/ Pune/PCMC belt should be brought under one regime for automobile taxing purposes. Hell, it's the same state. Octroi is an obsolete concept and should be the first to go!

+1 to that. The Octroi should be the first thing which needs to be removed. The Octroi check post is the breeding ground for all sorts of corrupt practices.
I hope this will be taken care during the implementation of GST where there will be one tax for all goods and services. Although the Municpal councils would not so easily allow their cash cows to disappear so fast.

[vikramvicky1984]

Octroi is a british legacy which needs to be done away with.
Its more of a entry/gunda tax or hafta just because bombay was the commercial capital put in place by the british.

The whole RTO thing or infact the address proof in Mumbai is total fraud meant to harass outsiders.

e.g. : I have a passport, Driving license, Company ID card, (letter from employer that i work with them) previous college ID card, but I was not given a sim card just because I did not have a local address proof. I had a couple of bank accounts in Mumbai address but thats not acceptable ( one can have bank accounts without local address proof though, there is no logic here)

Met a nice shopkeeper who after understanding my problem, gave a copy of his own electricity bill for my sim card. ( The vigilant people don't even match names there)

Now whenever somebody needs a sim card I give my electricity bill (in name of my landlord) and he gets a sim card.

They make you do wrong things

Now for car registration, I need more fraud douments because I don't have a house here ( How many people in Mumbai can afford a house or are sure about not moving out once they get a beter job elsewhere), an agent suggested that I get a landline at my rented house in may name & he'll get it done.

Simple solution: Buy your car in some other state where its hassle free ( In hyderabad, a letter from my company's HR was good enough for bike's registration) and taxes are lower. Mumbai cops would rarely stop for outside registration,unless you got dark tints or something flashy, atleast I have not been stopped even once in over a year.

To sum it:
You are outsider with all documents a clean person is expected to have but have no local proof:
1. You can get bank accounts on any imaginary local address you write, even a credit card
2. Get a copy a random electricity bill maybe from some dustbin and get a sim card
3. Do some more fraud like get a landline connection for a thousand bucks and register your car at that adddress

You want to be a decent person and avoidall this ( I did that a lot), be ready to be harassed and asked unimaginable money by car/bike showroom guys ( expected to be sellers who should be nice to their customers) in the name of lacking address proof.

My grouse :Laws in this city are not uniform, they force you to circumvent. I would buy my car in my hometown rather than doing all this fraud. one road trip outside state every six months.Get toll receipts,PUC and petrol bills with your car's registration number and date clearly mentioned and you are legally allowed to drive here, Daman and Gujarat aren't far. New excise in maharastra gives you all the more reason for a weekend trip to daman
And yeah I am being a reponsible citizen here, you dont allow me a local address, I'll not break the law and get a fraud address. so I dont buy a car in your city and pay you any road tax.