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The USSR's ZIL used to make a limousine with a 6 litre capacity that put out 200 hp. It was still unreliable. Reliability engineering is broader in scope than just volumetric efficiency. | |
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| ![]() Lexus definitely knows this car is not for volumes. It is for those rich people to whom 1 crore and 10 crore are not very different. While it can't hold a candle even to the regular s class in terms of ride quality/ rear seat/ performance, leave alone Maybach, it appeals to those who want ultra reliability with acceptable(not extreme) levels of luxury. Last edited by DonHyd : 19th January 2021 at 21:56. |
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| ![]() Handcrafted luxury has a price. 35 lakhs extra for work of expert craftsmen seems a bargain when marquees like Lamborghini can charge more for some paint options. Who would have thunk that there is a Seiko that costs almost half a million dollars? But such a beast exists, and there are buyers for it. https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/th...ion-tourbillon Price can be subjective. Cheers |
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https://www.lexus.com/models/LS A Mercedes-Maybach S 560 starts at $173,000 in the US: https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/mo...maybach/s560x4 In India the LS costs more than Maybach ![]() | |
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I suppose in south east asian markets the lower average height reduces the requirement for a sub-brand catering to more luxurious (longer wheelbase) versions of a flagship car. I guess the USP being reliability is what appeals even more in developing nations where consumer protection laws and infrastructure are not reliable. I suppose they are only here to cater to a small but staunch audience who believes in the brand's reliability and I feel since Toyota has always seemed a bit miffed with the Indian governments taxation on their cars, they might be making up for it by charging whatever they want. At the end of the day while Lexus/Toyota may not invoke a sense of as much luxury as a German badge, it still has its own brand value in the market. Last edited by IshaanIan : 20th January 2021 at 15:49. | |
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Infractions: 0/1 (4) | ![]() A standard Lexus LS starts at $76k, a standard S class starts at $74k. Lexus only does limited run releases of their special versions, I think the last release in the US was the 'Inspiration series'. Quote:
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| ![]() A closer look at the "Nishijin & Haku", which translates to 'path of moonlight on the sea', this involves traditional Japanese ornamentation work. The ornamentation is created by intricately weaving silver threads of 'Nishijin' brocade to express shimmering waves and applying the extremely thin 'Haku' platinum metal foil reminiscent of 'moonlight' shining on waves. ![]() I say Japanese ornamentation work is costly, and who would get a Lexus in India over a Maybach? ![]() |
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Well, even after all this, the car will most probably find owners here. A unique magic only Toyota and Lexus have mastered!! | |
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| ![]() Very interesting to see perspectives here. I agree with the view that price is subjective - luxury definition varies from person to person. Lexus is an amazing car [had the chance to experience this closely in Dubai]. It resonates with Japanese ethos of calmness, peace and intricacy. It provides a very different experience compared to German/Italian luxury players. 2.5cr is indeed a huge price tag in India. But I am sure this appeals to the kind of people who align with the Japanese philosophies. Honestly at this level, I believe people go for something that is close to their personalities and how they want to project themselves. For some, it is flamboyance, power and performance while for others it is being classy & elegant. |
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| ![]() I think this car is for those who have used the European barges in the last couple of decades and the story didn't end well. People who buy these cars with the full intention of putting good amount of miles on it before letting the car go (highway runners). They might like something that will do duty longer and whose engine can be maintained without dropping it out of the car every 50k miles. Sure the engine is small. In comparison, the Europeans have upto 2x the number of cylinders but who would want a dependable workhorse that returns 2-5kmpl. It may not reach 200kph as fast but it will at some point and won't have to be at the workshop as often. These cars are supposed to be sedately driven. Even RRs are tuned in a way that they will accelerate smoothly regardless of how hard the pedal is pressed. It's rare because few people want to spend that kind of money on a Toyota. It is for the kind of people who will pay any money as long as it's a Toyota. And it looks pretty. The presence is no less striking than a Rolls/Bentley. Last edited by veedub : 21st January 2021 at 10:40. |
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Let's face it, Lexus is high on something. Toyota has constantly played this game in India, this is just the latest square cut. Each of their cars is priced far higher than it is in most countries worldwide, and they know they'll get away with it for UVs where reliability and frugality are important. They get their backside handed to them by the market when it comes to petrol sedans, expensive SUVs and other stuff. The Lexus ES is about the only car which is competitive in its range. This dumb launch will go the way of the Yaris, Etios, Liva, and whatever other idiocy they've tried. Let them stick to their Innovas and Fortuners, and at least keep the quality up there. | ||||
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Bonus is that Lexuses won't break. The Germans on the other hand, will go wrong and badly so. There is a reason they haven't dabbled in Hybrid Powertrains all this while, because whilst they've played the safe game of flogging ever more complicated diesels, they've never really had the foundations of quality that a Hybrid propulsion system requires in order to function flawlessly over thousands of miles. Quote:
Looking at the situation logically, India is not an outlier when it comes to the newer Korean companies outmanoeuvring the traditional players. This is happening in all markets. Toyota is not immune to this, after all they did this to the West in the middle of the last century too. That is not to say that Toyota are incapable of mastering markets. I see it more as a sign that they have misunderstood customer priorities (they got it right in the 7 seater market). Last edited by ampere : 21st January 2021 at 20:33. Reason: back to back posts merged | ||
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