[SShandilya]

Originally Posted by superbad

No to both. As per this news article, irrespective of the place of registration of a BS3/4 diesel vehicle, it cannot run in Delhi until further orders.

Puts people like me in a tough spot. If I have to step outside what should people like me do ?
They first brought up the 10 year rule but even restricting the diesel cars for those 10 years doesn’t make sense.
It’s daylight robbery !

[ajayc123]

I thought this is temporary ban, only for the duration of GRAP4, similar to odd even.

[batish]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

All in all, expect extra congestion on account of a few check posts they will set up for this.

These pointless money making check posts for the government will lead to traffic snarls. Due to these brainless illogical decisions, it is precisely how PM2.5 and PM10 increases. BS4 were selling upto 2020, just before COVID wave struck. Then we had one year gone for lockdowns. BS6 vehicles are not even 3 years old yet.

Now these buffoons expect people who have paid all their taxes and tolls to take e-rickshaws and Metro while they merrily travel in their exempted vehicles with escort vehicles and choppers for election rallies.

Originally Posted by ajayc123

I thought this is temporary ban, only for the duration of GRAP4, similar to odd even.

Yes it is temporary but considering the pollution you never know how long this stays. It could be a week or 4 months. AFAIK, Haryana hasn't started their share of stubble burning yet. So I expect these levels to breach 999 mark soon.

Off Topic: Kisan organisations have been reminding this government every single day to find a solution to this. Everyday people were tweeting for this. Just like a countdown. No one paid heed to this and now they have the audacity to say that they have been in power for just 6 months, hence, could not do anything.





Crooks of the highest order.

Originally Posted by ajayc123

I don't expect this to be 4 months or.even 1 month by any means. Maybe a max of 10 days. Fortunately the farmers have a small window of max couple of weeks for stubble burning, and once that is over, things sbould improve.

Problem is wind conditions. If wind flows and takes away this batch of air then it is surely possible that this can clear in some days. If there is no movement then I don't think they'll change anything anytime soon.

See historical data:









Source: AQICN

[ajayc123]

I don't expect this to be 4 months or.even 1 month by any means. Maybe a max of 10 days. Fortunately the farmers have a small window of max couple of weeks for stubble burning, and once that is over, and or there's a bit of wind, things should improve. For example tomorrow is expected to be windy, so expecting slight improvement

[superchamp]

This is absurd. This means anyone who have paid tax, insurance and tax to the government cannot drive to the capital city for even a visit. Strange times we are in. Best solution would be to demolish all the roads in delhi so that people don't use any vehicles.

[vredesbyrd]

I think the entire political and government setup of Delhi needs to be banned.
Seriously, there's been absolutely no outcry about the 10-year rule and now pretty sure that there would be none for this as well.

Better start looking for opportunities overseas.

[prateekchanana]

Don’t know what these guys are smoking while making these rules. I recently sold my BS4 Honda City and switched to an EV as my daily driver. The only other one left with me for long drives is my 2018 A4 BS4 Diesel. Have a 400-450 kms long drive planned for Monday and don’t have any car left to do that. Not confident enough to trust fast chargers on the way and the diesel is banned from use

[FrozeninTime]

I forecasted something like this would happen this July, so I took my father’s diesel car with me when I relocated to another city and gave my Petrol car to him to drive. We may blame the stubble burning but root cause is increased urbanisation of areas surrounding Delhi. This urbanisation has led to increased vehicle movement and Construction activity. The Best option for Delhi people would be to shift to Electric Car as means of commuting in long term

[sid3091]

Another idiotic move from the brainless NGT, and the moronic milords sitting in courts.

I think we need to take a leaf out of the French playbook. It is high time for civil disobedience. When they tried doing something similar in France, the populace parked their cars in front of Government officials' houses and offices and blocked them from being able to move. The laws were retracted not much after. We need to do the same with our BS4 vehicles to officials in the NGT and these oversmart judges.

Let's organize and get it done, I feel such a statement has a high chance of success and the masses will surely get behind it.

[Livnletcarsliv]

This is what is called a "TOTAL FAILURE". It's a total failure of the government and more specifically the bureaucrats and politicians.
They know that this is a recurring issue, but still, the government did not do anything about it. Kudos to the brilliant minds.

What next? Ban all those people who smoke cigarettes? Ban all those religious places that burn incense sticks? Ban all those places that use firewood for cooking?

[Hayek]

Just the kind of thread which one should avoid on Team BHP - you are asking to be infracted and banned if you express even 1% of the reaction that such an incredibly stupid policy deserves. The fact is that the CAQM, the NGT, the sainted Pakistani Army (or it’s equivalent in India which arrogates to itself the right to decide what is good for the nation), and our politician - bureaucrat mafia all have no concern whatsoever for hard working, tax paying citizens. A ban on BS3/4 diesel cars in Delhi is going to reduce the AQI by precisely 0 points - since these are not what pollutes the city. North India’s poor AQI is a function of geography, stubble burning and construction dust - NOT cars. But our sainted ones want to show they are doing something - even if it has no real impact. I am glad I don’t live in a city where the Pakistani army is based.

I am all for long term policies to improve Delhi’s air quality - a crack down on builders to ensure they use dust mitigation methods during construction just like builders do everywhere else in the world, tax revenue being used to reduce the need for stubble burning without decimating wheat production or farm incomes, and yes, a phased ban on new diesel vehicles not just in Delhi but in all large cities (which we would do if we insist on real world emission testing and put massive fines on auto makers if their products fail these tests). But you cannot wake up suddenly and declare a legal good that has been bought with people’s tax paid money illegal.

[dust-n-bones]

We should expect resistance to a motoring ban in a motoring community. Not sure why the government cannot instead think of making things like parking, tolls, diesel more expensive during such periods. Which would allow people to still legally use their vehicles, but at the same time promote things like car-pooling, WFH, and public transport.

I'm surprised nobody in the comments above is considering public transport due to the ban - which I guess is the only long-term sustainable urban transport solution. Something similar to what all megacities like London, New York, Singapore, or even Mumbai embrace.

In spite of spending billions of dollars on public transport, Delhi continues to be biased towards personal transport. Not sure what the reasons are, but places like Bangalore seem to be making an even bigger mistake - spending too much time and money on showpiece metro routes without changing anything fundamentally in the end.

[batish]

Originally Posted by dust-n-bones

In spite of spending billions of dollars on public transport, Delhi continues to be biased towards personal transport. Not sure what the reasons are.

Reasons are pretty simple. During rush hour this is how the public transport is usually. The number of people you see in the image, comes in the span of 20-30 seconds. Leave aside seating, there isn't even space to stand during office hours. Personally, there have been several instances where I could not even de-board at the station due to rush, because people waiting to board the train don't even consider that the possibility that some people would exit from this station. Nope. Sometimes the rush is so high that the metro doors can't close automatically and the guard has to squeeze people in, with bare hands.



During other timings, the situation is entirely different. Then even the seats are available after few stations.

During summers, due to extreme temperatures you can imagine the sweat and all the different odours absorbed in shirt. Nobody wants to reach office like that - struggling and straining.

It is same for buses as well. The only option left is Autos, they charge exorbitantly and even then it depends on their mood if they wish to drop you at the location or not.

These are some of the things I have experienced, so can say these could be the reasons.

[100Kmphormore]

Would like to see how the government BS4 vehicles will be treated.

[Lowflyer23]

As usual, throwing water away from the fire to extinguish it. The authorities know how to make politically safe decisions knowing the middle class with BS4 vehicles won't create much of an outcry either. On the other hand, old government Boleros and Innova Crystas will continue to run freely in the capital since these run on air.