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Old 1st May 2023, 07:08   #1
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Critical technologies influencing your vehicle purchases

Automotive technologies have been evolving significantly since the last decade and its up to anyone's imagination on how things will be by next decade or even towards the end of this decade. When turbochargers were released, there was a certain sector of people who would only buy vehicles with NA engines and one can compile a long list in the current market starting ICE vs EV / Hybrid. Creating this thread to discuss one automotive technology which was or is a huge deal breaker with your recent or upcoming vehicle purchase.

In my case, vehicle infotainment is a primary deal breaker. IMO OEMs have gone too much with infotainment development and personally, i would not buy or even consider a vehicle which has tablet like infotainment screens without physical buttons for a commonly used application like temperature control. By going into a couple of menus to perform a simple action, the driver loses muscle memory and can be highly distracted. I feel thats more dangerous than a person who is holding on to a mobile phone while driving. Personally, I rushed into buying a 2022 BMW with iDrive 7 just because of the fact that the next MY of the same vehicle was going to get iDrive 8. iDrive 8 removed most of the physical buttons and was poorly integrated on to the dash which looked like an after thought. As another example, Ford has done a similar thing to the upcoming Mustangs.

BMW iDrive 7

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Mustang - Current generation

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Old 1st May 2023, 07:57   #2
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A technology that is a legit dealbreaker for me is the subscription model for extra features or performance. I will be happy to pay upfront for anything additional on my car. But it cannot be that you turn one of the big ticket purchases in life into a cheap joke by providing the hardware and then deliberately locking it. 25bhp extra for Rs 10000/- per year? No thanks.

Another something that bugs me connected everything. I do not want the car company or the insurance company to be keeping track of where my car is at what time and at what speed. No amount of convenience or benefit can entice me on this. It is bad enough that Google, Apple, Meta and the myriad apps on my phone are keeping track of everything. Car is on of the few remaining bastions of relative privacy, and it should remain that way. Especially in a country like ours with basically inexistent privacy laws.

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This one will be hard to narrow down to one given that Technology is too broad an umbrella. Everything else being similar (powertrain, driveline, safety features etc), and as silly it might sound, mine would be Apple CarPlay. I don't really care about the fancy screens, apps and widgets, but since I mostly live in the Apple ecosystem, not having Apple CarPlay would the deal breaker.
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Literally none.
I'm one of the rare people who, even in this day and age will actively avoid tech, sometimes even going to the extent of buying a base model.

All I want in a car is:
AC (not climate control), Power Steering, power windows, remote locking (not keyless).
That's it.
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Safety tech is a huge influencer for us! As an example, the 3 most used cars in our garage all have ESP (over & above airbags etc.). Absolutely love new tech like hybrids which are continuously evolving, and electric cars (also consistently evolving).

On the flip side, I hate unnecessary tech like electric exterior door handles (e.g. XUV700) or climate control buttons moving to the touchscreen. Lastly, as Shreyans said, I hate subscriptions in cars. Manufacturers should stop obsessing over the "subscription" race & realise they aren't Netflix or Dropbox.
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The trouble with being an enthusiast is you can be forgiving of a lot of bad things in a car. For me if a car has the power I need, handles like I want it to and gives me the pleasure I desire I tend to overlook any other flaw.

I dont care too much for the music as my sport exhaust would take care of it. I dont drive too much in the city as its a chore. I look at the hugely positive side of the car and the way it fulfills my enthusiast needs and forgive everything else as it would just be minor irritants.
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The trouble with being an enthusiast is you can be forgiving of a lot of bad things in a car. For me if a car has the power I need, handles like I want it to and gives me the pleasure I desire I tend to overlook any other flaw.

I dont care too much for the music as my sport exhaust would take care of it. I dont drive too much in the city as its a chore. I look at the hugely positive side of the car and the way it fulfills my enthusiast needs and forgive everything else as it would just be minor irritants.
Agreed. I can live with practically a lack of any modern tech, and 3-star safety rating as long as the mechanicals are good and satisfactory. One of the reasons why we went for a base-model Swift back in 2008. The other trims just had a bunch of show-off type gadgetry.
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Technology for safety is absolutely is fine, but I hate physical buttons getting removed and everything going to touch screen.

More simple the car is, i would enjoy it better.
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Give me a car that is fun to drive, handles itself well on Indian roads and is safe. The safety part was one of the reasons I went with top-spec Swift as it was back in 2013. Other than that everything is negotiable. I have my heart set on a Harrier BUT... The version I want comes with a sunroof. Absolutely not needed or wanted or preferred...what to do ��
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ADAS - I gave this suggestion to the M&M`s factory engineers , they said they will consider it for ScorpioN as well as their newer releases.

I probably wont buy a new car without ADAS, like the one found in XUV7OO, there is no joy in driving on access controlled roads , may as well take some assistance from the robots who are not bored like us.
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Keyless entry. I couldn't bring myself to spend 60L+ on a Mercedes or BMW when they couldn't offer something as basic as keyless entry on many of their models while it is present on many sub 10L hatchbacks. I don't understand why they specced them with phone app based lock/unlock, Push button start but no door handle sensors for keyless entry.

I find keyless entry to be one of the most convenient features out there. No need to juggle whatever bags, covers, folders, phone, laptop etc you are holding to reach into your pocket and fumble around to find the unlock button. Just reach out and pull the door handle and you are good to go. I think this is especially important for women since most of their dresses don't have pockets and they have to open their handbag and dig around for the keyfob.

Samet thing applies when you get out of the car and you need to lock it. Just touch the handle and you are good to go.
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I try to avoid these two types of technological 'features':

1. Anything that may have a tendency to spy on me (i.e. "internet powered" mixed with mics, cameras, GPS). (Relevant: https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/inter...ml#post5529193 (Tesla employees reportedly shared owners' sensitive videos recorded by car cameras))

2. Anything that does not make things simpler but may make things worse if they malfunction (e.g. electric door handles of XUV700 that GTO mentioned). They do not make things any simpler - it's as easy to pull on regular door handles to open the door. But if they stop popping out, opening the door can become a hassle.
In other words, this is technology for the sake of technology, which does not actually make any task easy even when the product is working perfectly. When not working perfectly, it can spoil the complete experience. Then why have it?
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Keyless entry/exit along with push button start for me. Having it on both my cars since 2020, this is now a must have for me.
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Keyless entry/exit is no more a luxury but instead, a necessity.
I grin a little on having this work flawlessly on my Jag. The shear comfort of not having to get the keys out is .. well, nice!
I am a tech person and I like clever bits of technology put to a driver / passenger’s use.

Apple Carplay is the second on list, being a necessity.
HUD excites me way more than it should
Soft close doors is the next thing I am eyeing for the shear luxury quotient.
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Tech that will positively influence my purchase
  • Safety - ABS, ESP, Hill Hold Assist, Atleast 6 Airbags, Radar Cruise Control with Low speed follow, Lane Keep Assist, Blind Spot monitor
  • Ergonomics - Physical buttons for Climate control and common tasks
  • Infotainment - Android Auto and Apple car play ( atleast wired )
  • Charging ports - Atleast one 12v charging socket so that it is future proofed to evolving solutions.
  • Reliable Transmission - Torque Converter > CVT > No transmission ( EVs )
  • Engine/Motor - Hybrids with Flex fuel engines > Hybrids with E20 compatibility > EVs
  • Turbo combination - Big Engine small turbo combination rather than small engine big turbo to have a better torque spread ( read drivability )
  • EV battery - Lithium Iron Phosphate battery with liquid cooling for safety reasons
  • Hybrid Battery location - Under the seats instead of using up the boot space.
  • Ventilated seats
  • Keyless Entry

On the fence
  • Automatic Emergency Braking ( Especially in Indian conditions )

Absolute No Gos
  • Subscription for performance and features to send the right message to the manufacturers
  • Transmission - DCTS & AMTs due to their lack of abuse friendliness
  • Engine - BS6 Diesels due to long term reliability concerns
  • Lack of E20 compatibility Assurance in writing
  • Not having a non-sunroof topend model and more importantly, if that's the only variant with the best of safety features, I'll rather not buy the car and will instead wait especially if this is going to be my primary car.
  • Compromised thigh support on the seats of EVs due to the battery placement on the floor.
  • Lack of height adjustment and steering adjustment

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