[Dr ST]

Dear All,

If we pay road tax for 15 years, the fuel required for the specific vehicle at the time of buying should also be provided for its lifetime. Otherwise, the government should start refunding if the engine gets damaged due to these idiotic policies.

Regards

[WhyMe]

Assuming no car right now (NA or turbo) can handle proposed E30, is any company already working on such an engine ? What about Maruti's latest Z12 engine ?

Originally Posted by arjab

ethanol also results in power loss and fuel inefficiency in vehicles. Hence to cover the same distance one would be actually burning up more petrol with E30 doped petrol.

But wouldn't the cost saved in replacing 30% petrol with 30% ethanol theoritically cancel out the reduction in mileage ? (assuming blended petrol is "in theory" cheaper than pure petrol)
Although with more frequent tank refillings. And power loss will still be there.

[Earthroamer]

I remember the days when petrol bunk attendents and even owners were beaten to pulp for using adulteration methods to increase their profit margin. Good old days..... hahaha

[qaqa]

Fact is that it is criminal to be encouraging sugarcane farming using non renewable ground water in a water stressed country. We are literally consuming our future security by doing this.

Ethanol blending makes sense in just a few pockets of the world which have abundance water like the Amazon basin. But not in India.

[xway]

Petrol price calculation approx for Maharashtra is as follows.

Many don't know that apart from the Exorbitant taxes there is Rs.10 Inflation markup also.
We pay a whopping 200% as additional charges and 160% as just taxes on Fuel an item of necessity.
You can see how a Rs. 40 item easily costs Rs. 100 in most states.


On top of this we get Petrol mixed with Ethanol around 20%
Not just that even Ethanol is taxed same as Petrol.
If this is not robbery than what is ?

If the govt settles taxes what it were in 2014 then we could easily get Petrol / Diesel for Rs. 45 - 50 considering the crude raw costs are almost half of 2014 now.
If at all these come to Rs. 45 to 50 economy will boom, consumption will get a solid boost and not to mention inflation will be kicked out completely.

[ais]

Jio BP has E20 dispensers marked clearly. Unmarked dispensers have either 'pure' petrol or E10. But we don't have any Jio BP pumps within Mumbai- nearest is in Navi Mumbai. The difference in engine smoothness and performance is immediately perceptible with either fuel.

Can someone file a case in the appropriate forum? I would, but I'm already neck deep in cases against builders, PIL on cab aggregators/GOI.

[WhyMe]

Originally Posted by ais

The difference in engine smoothness and performance is immediately perceptible with either fuel...

You mean E10 or higher fuels are inferior in an E20 compliant engine ?
I thought an E20 engine would work happily with any fuel 'upto' E20

[Kishoreshack]

Originally Posted by Gansan

It is a perfectly good move, if they implement it properly. Replacing 30% of our total imported petroleum

It’s a shock and frankly an insult to public intelligence that government agents are deployed to spin reckless, ill-planned decisions as “green progress,” while the public bears the brunt in terms of engine wear, higher fuel costs, and compromised food security.

Ethanol is hygroscopic (absorbs water), which can lead to corrosion and damage in engines, especially older vehicles not designed for ethanol blends

Ethanol contains less energy per litre than petrol. This means more fuel is required to travel the same distance, lowering mileage.

[ais]

Originally Posted by WhyMe

You mean E10 or higher fuels are inferior in an E20 compliant engine ?
I thought an E20 engine would work happily with any fuel 'upto' E20

I thought the entire premise of this thread was that we don't have Ethanol compatible engines yet in India at all, and are being forced to use Ethanol blended petrol anyway! You've confused me now, but to the best of my knowledge, the Polo TSI 1L is not meant to take Ethanol, only RON 95. Have I missed something?

That aside, my Baleno 2017 and Polo 2022 TSI both get a jump in smoothness and power with Jio BP petrol (not E20). Many others report the same in a related thread somewhere in Team-BHP.

[petrolheadkk]

Every car sold in India right now is E20 compliant only. So does this mean if I buy a petrol car in 2025, it's realistic life will only be 5 years because it is still not designed to run on E30 fuel. Vehicles are a long term investment for many, and we use our cars easily for 10+ years. I hope they give all the options of E10, E20, E30 petrol otherwise it will just increase ownership costs in terms of increased maintenance, reduced mileage, power. These policy changes every now and then are going to discourage some new car buyers for sure.

[TheStoryweaver]

Clarification on the ethanol blending report. As per PIB ( govt. nodal agency) there are no such targets of increasing the blend to 30% as of now. Good relief
Link - https://x.com/PIBFactCheck/status/19...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[carjack3090]

Originally Posted by TheStoryweaver

Clarification on the ethanol blending report. As per PIB ( govt. nodal agency) there are no such targets of increasing the blend to 30% as of now. Good relief
Link - https://x.com/PIBFactCheck/status/19...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

it is getting crazier out there with all these claims all the time, my hunch says that there is one particular news outlet (won't name) that always gives out snippets of such big decisions coming. I will list a few

1. Tariffs going down to 10 percent, Government has agreed
2. Delhi Govt has decided to pause sale of ICE cars from 2026
3. Government pursuing 10 percent blending in Diesel

All of the information has turned out untrue, the news outlet pulls out information from clouds, it has no real source. Government's work has turned out really hard to stop such misinformation cause they churn every hour now

[Rajjaiswal92]

Originally Posted by qaqa

Fact is that it is criminal to be encouraging sugarcane farming using non renewable ground water in a water stressed country. We are literally consuming our future security by doing this.

Ethanol blending makes sense in just a few pockets of the world which have abundance water like the Amazon basin. But not in India.

60% Ethanol in India is produced from DFG that is Damaged Food Grain, 40% from molasses.

Existing sugar mills were diverting the same molasses quantities to portable alcohol earlier.

The net increase in sugar can plantation purely for ethanol is negligible.

[jalex77]

Originally Posted by Rajjaiswal92

60% Ethanol in India is produced from DFG that is Damaged Food Grain, 40% from molasses.
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It's not all Damaged food grains. Food grains fit for human consumption is also being used.

In 2023, the Food Corporation of India (FCI) had reportedly stopped selling wheat and rice under the Open Market Sale Scheme to state governments for their own welfare schemes, while simultaneously allocating rice to ethanol manufacturers under the ethanol blending program.

The Centre restricted FCI's sale of rice/wheat to states, citing the need to control food inflation.

However, food grains were being diverted to ethanol production, which raised criticism—particularly from states like Karnataka, which wanted grains to continue their subsidized food programs.

Karnataka needed additional grains for their Anna Bhagya scheme (providing 10 kg of free rice to poor families) but it was denied by the Centre.

At the same time, ethanol producers were allowed to buy FCI rice, leading to accusations that commercial interests were prioritized over food security for the poor.

The Union government sold rice to ethanol manufacturers for around ₹20 per kg, sometimes even lower depending on the location and transportation subsidies. This when Karnataka was reportedly offering ₹34/kg. Despite offering more than what ethanol companies were paying, their request was denied by the Centre, citing low buffer stock.

[qaqa]

Originally Posted by Rajjaiswal92

60% Ethanol in India is produced from DFG that is Damaged Food Grain, 40% from molasses.

Existing sugar mills were diverting the same molasses quantities to portable alcohol earlier.

Not sure about those stats. Please see below an infographic from Ministry of Petroleum and Natural Gas https://mopng.gov.in/files/uploads/B...oklet_2023.pdf



Damaged food grain is a very small percentage. Sizeable quantity of actual sugar and food grain is being used. Also if molasses earlier used for potable alcohol is being diverted for fuel blending, there has to be increased cultivation to feed the potable alcohol buyers. It's not that potable alcohol production has fallen to compensate.