Would 'Nano' be copied by chinese?

goacom · 13th January 2008, 21:01

They may try and do their own version. IP protection (patents etc) mean nothing in China. However, the real bottom line will be cost, ie. will they be able to make an equivalent product at a lower cost?

Tata will be able to price it so low because they indend to sell large volumes. In fact, one can expect the Nano to become the largest selling car in the world. If a Chinese manufacturer decides to do it on the same scale as Tata, they will be able to match Tata on price. Technically, there is nothing extremely innovative about the Nano - it is all pricing driven. In fact, Ratan Tata once said that the key about China is that they do things on a grand scale to lower costs. If anything, Tata has take a leaf from the Chinese and replicated their ultra large scale philosophies in the Nano.

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Originally Posted by rajivanoj

After crores of rupees spent by Tata on nano.. wud chinese simply make a replica of nano with their own style of branding like ' piano' ? what would be the reaction in tata's and whats the dream of tata to be cheapest car in world?

if the chinese can replicate nano, then will it be cheaper than nano in india?

btw..am stunned to see top 10 duplicates of chinese includes mercs, RR etc..

sezart.tv: December 2007

hope we shudnt see nano in this top slot

snaronikar · 13th January 2008, 21:01

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Originally Posted by hell_rider

well...lets see....

The Nano was launched last Monday. So we should have a chinese clone by tomorrow I guess. One week seems about right.

LOL It was launched on Thursday (10/01/08) and not on last monday (07/01).

rajivanoj · 13th January 2008, 21:34

am not aware of the reliability of chinese clones...that may be safe..but i feel they lack in design and finishing...

even pulsar clone gulsar doenst look attractive as pulsar...why cant they make more attractive design even though they copy..

Amico Industrial Group

The Bike Chronicles of India: Chinese Copies of the Bajaj Pulsar..!!

they may be king in mass replicating minus finishing..

carCrazy25 · 14th January 2008, 01:32

well everytime some product becomes a major hit, there is always a chinese copy of it.
Even the iPhone wasnt safe.
You want something Pirated, you know where to go!!!

Tstag · 14th January 2008, 03:25

So why not open a TATA plant in China and sell the entire range of TATA's there too?

directinjection · 14th January 2008, 08:58

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Originally Posted by snaronikar

LOL It was launched on Thursday (10/01/08) and not on last monday (07/01).

The car hasn't been launched yet. It's merely been unveiled.
Launch will take another 8-9 months, may be more, given the situation in West Bengal.

AMATMO · 14th January 2008, 09:47

there is nothing great about the one lac car in terms of design to be honest...

the greatest achievement of tata in launching this car is the fact that it is cheap
if chinese manage to get a car that is as cheap as this ,that will be as threat or nano even if it does not look same

designs gat copied only when chinese feel that they can launch/produce a same looking car for a cheaper price
so far all the chinese copies car cheaper than their originals

so even if nano is copied it is still a challenge to still a challenge to price it below the nano

for example when the chinese copied the chery QQ is was actully cheaper than the chevy spark
so i hope you guys got my point

omishra · 14th January 2008, 10:45

This is good that these guys are always busy doing their R&D.
I mean "Receive" & "Duplicate". This keeps other's (OEM) on their toes.

srishiva · 14th January 2008, 10:59

Chinese might do a cheap 1-lakh equivalent of a car. There are some things that TATA might have done to reduce the expenses (less joints, hollow stuff etc.,)
But don't think that its a great piece of auto that nobody else couldn't do if they want to.
If other manufacturers (in Japan, Europe, US) get energized to build low cost cars, we might be getting a lot better cars in future. That is one great thing about this car. Of course TATA itself might better its car through experience.
Toyota iQ car is one which looks so cool inspite of being small. Chinese might copy that car (atleast the shape).

snaronikar · 14th January 2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by directinjection

The car hasn't been launched yet. It's merely been unveiled.
Launch will take another 8-9 months, may be more, given the situation in West Bengal.

OK Point taken. It is unveiled.

14th January 2008, 12:38

rediff.com: Nano
By Tata, Everone knows about it

rediff.com:Chery QQ3
Chery Automobile, the Chinese car manufacturer, is a name to reckon with in the Chinese passenger car industry. Its Chery QQ3 is a city car that hit the market in 2003. In China, it is sold for 29,000-50,000 Remnibi, while internationally it is priced at $5,000.

Chery QQ3 comes equipped with antilock brake systems, dual front airbags, power windows and a Euro-III compliant engine. It comes with air-conditioning.

A five-door hatchback, Chery QQ3 is spacious and a sleek-looking car with ample storage area.
http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/jan/10car1.jpg

Maruti -800 --> From maruti
Everyone knows about it

So I am wondering, if Chinese removed ABS, dual front airbags, power windows & AC, then price may come near Nano :(

theMAG · 14th January 2008, 13:03

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Originally Posted by rajivanoj

if the chinese can replicate nano, then will it be cheaper than nano in india?

With the Russian Space Program itself being successfully copied down to the last bolt of the Soyuz rocket, the Chinese copying a comparitively puny 600 cc car is anyone's guess. And yes, it will be cheaper than the original due to the lower cost of manufacturing there.

ram_hyundai · 14th January 2008, 13:03

if they copy this then we may have a car for 50000 rs .lol,anyways they have done it in the past and they would continue to do so in the future,so all the best to them to do it in a good way.
ram

zenx · 14th January 2008, 13:22

Where the TATAs have rethought of everything is the carmaking and distribution process. Its proven by now that India's major strength is process management/innovation and that is NOT replicable by merely tearing down and copying the Nano. The eceonomies of scale part the Chinese might do equally well or better, but the process re-engineering - well - even all the veterans are all at sea to try and understand how TAMO managed this.

Torqy · 14th January 2008, 13:30

Chances are that the first batch of Nano might be the PIRATED ones.

13th January 2008, 21:34	#18
rajivanoj BANNED Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 398 Thanked: 52 Times View My Garage	am not aware of the reliability of chinese clones...that may be safe..but i feel they lack in design and finishing... even pulsar clone gulsar doenst look attractive as pulsar...why cant they make more attractive design even though they copy.. Amico Industrial Group The Bike Chronicles of India: Chinese Copies of the Bajaj Pulsar..!! they may be king in mass replicating minus finishing..
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14th January 2008, 01:32	#19
carCrazy25 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 76 Thanked: 0 Times	well everytime some product becomes a major hit, there is always a chinese copy of it. Even the iPhone wasnt safe. You want something Pirated, you know where to go!!!
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Tstag BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Coventry Posts: 73 Thanked: 9 Times	So why not open a TATA plant in China and sell the entire range of TATA's there too?
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14th January 2008, 09:47	#22
AMATMO Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore\GOA Posts: 1,456 Thanked: 7 Times	there is nothing great about the one lac car in terms of design to be honest... the greatest achievement of tata in launching this car is the fact that it is cheap if chinese manage to get a car that is as cheap as this ,that will be as threat or nano even if it does not look same designs gat copied only when chinese feel that they can launch/produce a same looking car for a cheaper price so far all the chinese copies car cheaper than their originals so even if nano is copied it is still a challenge to still a challenge to price it below the nano for example when the chinese copied the chery QQ is was actully cheaper than the chevy spark so i hope you guys got my point
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14th January 2008, 10:45	#23
omishra BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 280 Thanked: 45 Times	The great chinise R&D This is good that these guys are always busy doing their R&D. I mean "Receive" & "Duplicate". This keeps other's (OEM) on their toes. Last edited by omishra : 14th January 2008 at 10:48.
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14th January 2008, 10:59	#24
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	Chinese might do a cheap 1-lakh equivalent of a car. There are some things that TATA might have done to reduce the expenses (less joints, hollow stuff etc.,) But don't think that its a great piece of auto that nobody else couldn't do if they want to. If other manufacturers (in Japan, Europe, US) get energized to build low cost cars, we might be getting a lot better cars in future. That is one great thing about this car. Of course TATA itself might better its car through experience. Toyota iQ car is one which looks so cool inspite of being small. Chinese might copy that car (atleast the shape).
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14th January 2008, 12:38	#26
Suryam Posts: n/a	rediff.com: Nano By Tata, Everone knows about it rediff.com:Chery QQ3 Chery Automobile, the Chinese car manufacturer, is a name to reckon with in the Chinese passenger car industry. Its Chery QQ3 is a city car that hit the market in 2003. In China, it is sold for 29,000-50,000 Remnibi, while internationally it is priced at $5,000. Chery QQ3 comes equipped with antilock brake systems, dual front airbags, power windows and a Euro-III compliant engine. It comes with air-conditioning. A five-door hatchback, Chery QQ3 is spacious and a sleek-looking car with ample storage area. http://specials.rediff.com/money/2008/jan/10car1.jpg Maruti -800 --> From maruti Everyone knows about it So I am wondering, if Chinese removed ABS, dual front airbags, power windows & AC, then price may come near Nano :( Last edited by Suryam : 14th January 2008 at 12:40.
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14th January 2008, 13:03	#28
ram_hyundai Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calicut ,trisur Posts: 2,020 Thanked: 53 Times View My Garage	if they copy this then we may have a car for 50000 rs .lol,anyways they have done it in the past and they would continue to do so in the future,so all the best to them to do it in a good way. ram
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14th January 2008, 13:22	#29
zenx Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,161 Thanked: 158 Times View My Garage	Where the TATAs have rethought of everything is the carmaking and distribution process. Its proven by now that India's major strength is process management/innovation and that is NOT replicable by merely tearing down and copying the Nano. The eceonomies of scale part the Chinese might do equally well or better, but the process re-engineering - well - even all the veterans are all at sea to try and understand how TAMO managed this.
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Torqy BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 966 Thanked: 244 Times	Chances are that the first batch of Nano might be the PIRATED ones.
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