Honda introducing diesel variants?

Guna · 16th March 2009, 10:44

One of the local newspapers (Bangalore) has a news item on Honda looking to introduce diesel variants on all it's models. It doesnt specify any dates or source (just says 'reliable industry sources...).
Does anyone has more information on this?

PS: @Mods, I could not find if there is a thread on this topic. Please, merge/move as appropriate

vkochar · 16th March 2009, 10:53

That sounds nice.

I would really want to know what they price their City's & Civics if introduced in Diesels - Probably 1.5 - 2 lacs more expensive than the Petrol Variant.

I doubt if they are going to do so soon. I once drove a Honda CRV Diesel in UK. It was absolutely Fantastic.

vineethvazhayil · 16th March 2009, 11:01

There is another thread on the euro spec accord spotted testing in NCR, with our scoop man sidindica quoting his sources on that particular car coming with a diesel engine!

S_budhiraj · 16th March 2009, 11:02

I doubt this news, As of day Honda is singing a song of Poor Diesel Qaulity in India as reason for not introducing Diesels here.

Which I personally feel is simply crap!

hellstar · 16th March 2009, 11:04

Now if thats true then it would definitley be somethingto look forward to , imagine engine to match the performance and mileage of a verna CRDi in the heart of a New Honda city !

loving_alaap · 16th March 2009, 11:16

Well, the reason given from Honda for not introducing diesel engines in India is not justifiable.

There must be something other than this.

Any way, even a common man can say that, if Honda rolls out diesels, it will sell like anything. (a new phrase will come up. Instead of Hot cakes, its than Hot Honda)

Hope for the best.

The only catch is the price (After all its Honda)
S0, it may be,(after the price hikes in April)
ANHC diesel: 12 lacs
Civic diesel: 16 lacs
Accord diesel: 25 lacs
CR-V diesel: 30 lacs

vineethvazhayil · 16th March 2009, 11:30

I guess they have a diesel engine only for cars of the size accord and CR-V. It is a 2.2 liter diesel powerplant, and in some countries it is also offered in the Civic. So For now, not too sure if a city diesel is on the horizon..

fx45 · 16th March 2009, 11:37

so we might get to pay about 12 lakhs or so for a City Diesel if honda lauches it here, wont that be a big big premium?

S_budhiraj · 16th March 2009, 11:43

The Engine is 2.2 I-CTDI (Intelligent Common turbo diesel Injection)

comes in the tune between 130 - 150 BHP, from Civic Type R, CRV, FRV & Accord

amit · 16th March 2009, 12:21

From what I know Honda has just the 2.2L I-CTDi engine at the moment which means IF Honda launches a diesel here, it would be only in the Accord and CR-V. They can launch the Civic D too at about 17-18 lacs against the Laura and Jetta provided it's the Civic V at that price and not the E!

Gagan.js · 16th March 2009, 13:12

They've already priced their cars at such a premium that putting a diesel engine to it would make the prices ridiculous. I don't see it being a success.

shortbread · 16th March 2009, 15:33

The 2.2 diesel variant has totally cannibalised the petrol variants of the Accord and CRV in Europe. Its very rare to see either of these models without the 2.2 diesel badge at the rear. Honda were among the few companies that were highly reluctant to join the diesel bandwagon, not any more.

They have aldready introduced the new variant of the 2.2 diesel with 180 ps and a huge 380nm torque at just 2000 rpm.
An even more suprising move is that Honda will introduce Diesel variants of the Acura in the US. This bold move by Honda shows how the company is rethinking its diesel strategy.
Honda is also developing a new V6 Diesel that will debut in the US in 2010.

What is suprising is the reluctance of Honda Siel to introduce the technology in India. Honda is making efforts to sell them to the Diesel hating Americans, despite India being a natural diesel market. One of the major reasons Honda is seeing its small car sales fall especially in Europe is because they dont have a fuel efficient small diesel engine.
India is one of the best places to make small diesel engines now especially due to high demand, low costs and the presence of vendors. Honda could also create a 1.6-1.7 diesel engine by taking a 3 cyl. variant of the present 2.2 4 cyl. This could be compact enough to plonk in the City or civic as well.

VKJ · 16th March 2009, 15:59

I dont think they will bring in the diesel variants in India due to reasons mentioned earlier by shortbread. They are currently concentrating only in the compact segment...lets see how their Jazz fares up to the competition.

BTW any civic hybrid owners here!

mithun · 16th March 2009, 17:12

The diesels will be available only after 3 years(according to BS).

16th March 2009, 10:44	#1
Guna Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 4,189 Thanked: 4,636 Times	Honda introducing diesel variants? One of the local newspapers (Bangalore) has a news item on Honda looking to introduce diesel variants on all it's models. It doesnt specify any dates or source (just says 'reliable industry sources...). Does anyone has more information on this? PS: @Mods, I could not find if there is a thread on this topic. Please, merge/move as appropriate
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16th March 2009, 10:53	#2
vkochar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Delhi / Agra / London Posts: 2,159 Thanked: 907 Times View My Garage	That sounds nice. I would really want to know what they price their City's & Civics if introduced in Diesels - Probably 1.5 - 2 lacs more expensive than the Petrol Variant. I doubt if they are going to do so soon. I once drove a Honda CRV Diesel in UK. It was absolutely Fantastic.
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16th March 2009, 11:01	#3
vineethvazhayil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,514 Thanked: 459 Times View My Garage	There is another thread on the euro spec accord spotted testing in NCR, with our scoop man sidindica quoting his sources on that particular car coming with a diesel engine!
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16th March 2009, 11:02	#4
S_budhiraj BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 275 Thanked: Once	I doubt this news, As of day Honda is singing a song of Poor Diesel Qaulity in India as reason for not introducing Diesels here. Which I personally feel is simply crap!
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hellstar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,073 Thanked: 44 Times	Now if thats true then it would definitley be somethingto look forward to , imagine engine to match the performance and mileage of a verna CRDi in the heart of a New Honda city ! Last edited by hellstar : 16th March 2009 at 11:05. Reason: typos
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16th March 2009, 11:16	#6
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 808 Thanked: 9 Times	Well, the reason given from Honda for not introducing diesel engines in India is not justifiable. There must be something other than this. Any way, even a common man can say that, if Honda rolls out diesels, it will sell like anything. (a new phrase will come up. Instead of Hot cakes, its than Hot Honda) Hope for the best. The only catch is the price (After all its Honda) S0, it may be,(after the price hikes in April) ANHC diesel: 12 lacs Civic diesel: 16 lacs Accord diesel: 25 lacs CR-V diesel: 30 lacs
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16th March 2009, 11:30	#7
vineethvazhayil Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,514 Thanked: 459 Times View My Garage	I guess they have a diesel engine only for cars of the size accord and CR-V. It is a 2.2 liter diesel powerplant, and in some countries it is also offered in the Civic. So For now, not too sure if a city diesel is on the horizon..
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16th March 2009, 11:37	#8
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 386 Times	so we might get to pay about 12 lakhs or so for a City Diesel if honda lauches it here, wont that be a big big premium?
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16th March 2009, 11:43	#9
S_budhiraj BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 275 Thanked: Once	The Engine is 2.2 I-CTDI (Intelligent Common turbo diesel Injection) comes in the tune between 130 - 150 BHP, from Civic Type R, CRV, FRV & Accord
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16th March 2009, 12:21	#10
amit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,712 Thanked: 451 Times	From what I know Honda has just the 2.2L I-CTDi engine at the moment which means IF Honda launches a diesel here, it would be only in the Accord and CR-V. They can launch the Civic D too at about 17-18 lacs against the Laura and Jetta provided it's the Civic V at that price and not the E!
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16th March 2009, 13:12	#11
Gagan.js BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai Posts: 227 Thanked: Once	They've already priced their cars at such a premium that putting a diesel engine to it would make the prices ridiculous. I don't see it being a success.
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16th March 2009, 15:33	#12
shortbread BANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: KL 7 Posts: 2,658 Thanked: 7,592 Times Infractions: 0/1 (5)	The 2.2 diesel variant has totally cannibalised the petrol variants of the Accord and CRV in Europe. Its very rare to see either of these models without the 2.2 diesel badge at the rear. Honda were among the few companies that were highly reluctant to join the diesel bandwagon, not any more. They have aldready introduced the new variant of the 2.2 diesel with 180 ps and a huge 380nm torque at just 2000 rpm. An even more suprising move is that Honda will introduce Diesel variants of the Acura in the US. This bold move by Honda shows how the company is rethinking its diesel strategy. Honda is also developing a new V6 Diesel that will debut in the US in 2010. What is suprising is the reluctance of Honda Siel to introduce the technology in India. Honda is making efforts to sell them to the Diesel hating Americans, despite India being a natural diesel market. One of the major reasons Honda is seeing its small car sales fall especially in Europe is because they dont have a fuel efficient small diesel engine. India is one of the best places to make small diesel engines now especially due to high demand, low costs and the presence of vendors. Honda could also create a 1.6-1.7 diesel engine by taking a 3 cyl. variant of the present 2.2 4 cyl. This could be compact enough to plonk in the City or civic as well.
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16th March 2009, 15:59	#13
VKJ BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 85 Thanked: 2 Times	I dont think they will bring in the diesel variants in India due to reasons mentioned earlier by shortbread. They are currently concentrating only in the compact segment...lets see how their Jazz fares up to the competition. BTW any civic hybrid owners here!
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16th March 2009, 17:12	#14
mithun BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Cochin Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 268 Times	The diesels will be available only after 3 years(according to BS).
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