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Originally Posted by ananthkamath I'm sorry, hell_rider, but I started this as a separate thread to encourage debate on whether or not India should have its own sportscar...I hadn't even seen your thread while writing this...
But, since you have taken up issue:
Why should big money mean that the guy backing it is not an enthusiast....Look at John Bloor (Triumph)....Look at Panoz...Look at Callaway Cars....
And let's be practical, peanuts is not going to get us a half-decent sportscar that people will actually buy... You yourself have condemned the Chinkara saying, in effect, that it isn't even half-decent..while in reality, it may be...we don't know...we just ASSUME that the car is so because its a "bitsa", put together with parts from various cars and not having the glamour/history of a thorough-bred sportscar company....
It isn't the engineering that's going to cost money on such a car.....With what little knowledge I have, even I can build exactly the car that I have proposed in a year or even less, working weekends, yet, nobody is going to buy it....because money needs to be spent to convince people that you have world-class engineering in your car, money needs to be spent to build your brand, and I am not talking about convincing enthusiasts; we know a good car when we see one, its the general public who needs to know all of this, cause only then can such a car get the volumes in..... |
ananth...
a thousand apologies....i did not pay attention to the merging of the threads.
back to the point,
i don't think it will need something like a 100 crores...rather if we are going to wait for someone to put up a 100 crores to finance an enthusiast project, it is never going to happen.
it has to be done like mentioned in the start...nothing fancy, but fundamentals well in place. there are lot of qualified people here with their basics very strong who can help out in the technical aspects.
now i'm just thinking out aloud here.....
It need not be a commercial success because that is not the objective. it is to see if it can be done, and once done, if it can be improved. it could, say for e.g. be a Team-Bhp initiative, one car is built.....and any team-bhp member who was part of the project can borrow it for the weekend or whatever at a nominal price or something. and we constantly keep refining it. we use local content so that maintenance or parts are not issues etc etc.
I am talking about being involved in something F..U..N. while trying to buid something good.
that is what enthusiast initiative is to me.
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Originally Posted by cream i do believe that knowledge, passion, expertise and other positive qualities are all present in the right individuals in india - but do these same people have the money to take these things forward - after all, any manufacturing unit does cost big bucks. the only way is to get someone to sponsor them - then the bottom line becomes sales and return of investment, which eventually dilutes the passion. |
bang on target cream !!!! which is why we do not need big budgets and a bankroller because he/she will be looking for returns.
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Originally Posted by cream we need a combination of people with expertise and cash - and who share the same passion, so that they can stick it out in the long term |
i don't know about long term in that in what context you mean "long term". what we need is a group of people passionate about cars and who want to build one, primary objective NOT being a "commercial success". rather it being indulging in your passion. given a reasonably large group, small contributions will go a long way. new contributors/members to the project can also be admitted freely. Also since the primary purpose is also to enjoy the whole experience, we do not have an issue of any deadline as well.
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Originally Posted by Mpower Need a combination of enthusiast and an entrepreneur to make this happen not to mention a millionaire financier. |
like i mentioned above, no, we do not need a millionaire financier. small contributions from a reasonably large group will also get the job done. and remember, EVERYBODY can contribute. not all contributions need to be in cash. we need expertise in this field. we have technically sound people here in this forum. we need space/ a workshop. surely someone can loan us that in the weekends. we need someone to sit and style the car..we have those people too. we need someone to administer and track progress...a lot of us can do that... and so on and so forth....
how is subroto roy one of the richest men in the country? one in 17 indians have invested in him. thats a bloody impressive statistic. who are these people? poor people deep in the hinterlands, who invest in his small saving schemes. 5 rupees a day or 50 rupees a month or something as small as that. look where he is today.
small makes big.