Renault can break ties with any partner, including M&M ( Mahindra )

anmol2k4 · 25th October 2009, 22:12

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Originally Posted by ajmat

Club Mahindra ain't premium IMHO

IMHO people from upper middle class are target customer, so it is premium enough, and the same people would be target customers for Renault.

ashutoshb · 10th November 2009, 01:00

Renault to offer full range of products in India

Carlos Ghosn:

Freeze on Renault’s investments in India are over now that the global automobile market has stabilised.
"Renault will have much more products for India. There will be a full line up of products of Renault for India and we have not come to India to sell one specific car."
"It's coming to India to contribute to the development of the Indian market and will come up with a complete line up."
"We are constantly evaluating all the line ups that we are going to produce at the Chennai plant and this will continue till the plant starts."
"We have a common approach between the two companies (Renault and Nissan) where platforms are going to be shared, engines are going to be shared although designs are going to be different even though the markets are going to be completely different."
"It is a constant learning and correction, and additions and discussion with our partners. We feel very good about our presence in India."

Source:
Renault to offer full range of products in India- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
Investments to flow soon: Renault-Nissan chief- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

Mahindra or no Mahindra.. Renault is here to stay!

aerohit · 10th November 2009, 01:14

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Originally Posted by aaggoswami

2) Why did renault not think of this before ?
After all Ghosn is a proven man, then why this scenario ? IMO, the recent good products have hit Renault hard. Here again the product has to be better. Renault never took Tata and Maruti seriously in Indian market. They thought that India is a third world, so they need Logan and nothing else, but Tata, Maruti and even Hyundai have taken the game far ahead in India than what Renault can imagine.

There is no doubt that India is a third world country + albiet a growing economy. Just look at the roads you drive on, you hardly deserve a modern car. In that sense, they were right.

May be they should have priced it much cheaper, it would have done fine.

motor spirit · 12th November 2009, 12:04

sometimes i feel Mr Ghosn is taking India for granted. everytime they commit on something & then there is a turnaround
1) They are speaking about mahindra renault break up. I would completely attribute this on the part of Renault ,What much can mahindra do about this
2) JV's with ALL , Bajaj are also shaky .

everytime i read something about renault plans for india or any Carlos Ghosn statement. I feel its all jus words without any firm commitment

I only hope nissan sticks to roll out their car as scheduled

ACM · 12th November 2009, 13:40

Renault will do more harm than good to it's reputation in India by breaking off with Mahindra, tying up with other partners if fine, but a break off will be viewed very negatively, Bajaj itself would be well advised to review the tieup with a vendors that breaks of ties so easily. Reminds us of Peugeot.

pacman2881 · 17th March 2010, 15:31

ET news-
Renault not to end tie-up with Mahindra & Mahindra

"We are discussing (with M&M) how to reposition the car and how to simplify the organisation and it looks like we need to be more nimble and little fast with the market," Renault Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Carlos Ghosn said.

Source
Renault not to end tie-up with Mahindra & Mahindra- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

sukiwa · 16th April 2010, 16:46

ET news:

M&M to end JV with Renault; will buyout Renault's 49% stake in JV.

CARDEEP · 16th April 2010, 16:53

It seems that Renault have yet not finalised their strategy in India. They seems to be moving like the 5-years plan of the Indian Government, nothing concrete achieved & burden on students (trade analysts & enthusiasts) later. Same with Nissan.

In my opinion, they need somebody better than Carlos Ghosn.

gaddiwale · 16th April 2010, 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by sukiwa

ET news:

M&M to end JV with Renault; will buyout Renault's 49% stake in JV.

This is the end of M&M and Renault JV (courtesy ZEE Business). Just saw the interview of Mr. Pawan Goenka. M&M bought Renaults stake, M&M will be allowed to use the Renault's name and logo till December 2010. Now onwards manfacture, sales and service will be solely M&M's responsibility.

amtak · 16th April 2010, 17:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaddiwale

This is the end of M&M and Renault JV (courtesy ZEE Business). Just saw the interview of Mr. Pawan Goenka. M&M bought Renaults stake, M&M will be allowed to use the Renault's name and logo till December 2010. Now onwards manfacture, sales and service will be solely M&M's responsibility.

what does it mean? Teh French have packed their bags and gone back? What happens to JV's with other parties? Shouldn't Renault have bought M&M's stake rather than the other way around?

My neighbour just bought a logan and would be having nightmares right now

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Gilead · 16th April 2010, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by amtak

Shouldn't Renault have bought M&M's stake rather than the other way around?

Exactly what I was thinking. Is Renault exiting India. Or are they planning to piggyback on Nissan here?

The only good thing is that we probably wouldn't have to witness the birth of an abomination called the Logan CS.

CoolFire · 16th April 2010, 17:38

Logan CS may still happen

. Maybe Renault wanted to wash their hands off what could have been their ugliest car ever.

Apart from that, for the time being, looks like M&M's car dreams have no much way forward.

CARDEEP · 16th April 2010, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by amtak

what does it mean? Teh French have packed their bags and gone back? What happens to JV's with other parties? Shouldn't Renault have bought M&M's stake rather than the other way around?

My neighbour just bought a logan and would be having nightmares right now

.

Hope you had not suggested him the Logan (pun intended)

mallumowgli · 16th April 2010, 17:48

Renault-Nissan investment in Chennai Plant is too huge (Rs. 4000 Cr) for them to pack their bags and go just like that. I feel they are in for a long haul.

But they seem to be making too many missteps - wrong product, unclear partner strategies, contradicting statements from top brass regarding future strategy (refer earlier posts from pacman2881 and sukiwa. Hope, for Indian Auto Sector's sake, they are clear about what they want to do ultimately

mpksuhas · 16th April 2010, 18:01

Remember seeing an article in some news channel ( guess ndtv) sometime back on Renault's plan to launch a sedan model in India outside its partnership with M&M. So guess they will try out by their own, since it wont make any business sense exiting an emerging market even if you just selling couple of hundred cars a month.

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ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,970 Thanked: 5,405 Times View My Garage	Renault to offer full range of products in India Carlos Ghosn: Freeze on Renault’s investments in India are over now that the global automobile market has stabilised. "Renault will have much more products for India. There will be a full line up of products of Renault for India and we have not come to India to sell one specific car." "It's coming to India to contribute to the development of the Indian market and will come up with a complete line up." "We are constantly evaluating all the line ups that we are going to produce at the Chennai plant and this will continue till the plant starts." "We have a common approach between the two companies (Renault and Nissan) where platforms are going to be shared, engines are going to be shared although designs are going to be different even though the markets are going to be completely different." "It is a constant learning and correction, and additions and discussion with our partners. We feel very good about our presence in India." Source: Renault to offer full range of products in India- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times Investments to flow soon: Renault-Nissan chief- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times Mahindra or no Mahindra.. Renault is here to stay! Last edited by ashutoshb : 10th November 2009 at 01:13. Reason: added one more article
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12th November 2009, 12:04	#34
motor spirit BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: bangalore Posts: 236 Thanked: 112 Times	sometimes i feel Mr Ghosn is taking India for granted. everytime they commit on something & then there is a turnaround 1) They are speaking about mahindra renault break up. I would completely attribute this on the part of Renault ,What much can mahindra do about this 2) JV's with ALL , Bajaj are also shaky . everytime i read something about renault plans for india or any Carlos Ghosn statement. I feel its all jus words without any firm commitment I only hope nissan sticks to roll out their car as scheduled
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ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,769 Thanked: 4,579 Times View My Garage	Renault will do more harm than good to it's reputation in India by breaking off with Mahindra, tying up with other partners if fine, but a break off will be viewed very negatively, Bajaj itself would be well advised to review the tieup with a vendors that breaks of ties so easily. Reminds us of Peugeot.
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pacman2881 BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 418 Thanked: 562 Times	ET news- Renault not to end tie-up with Mahindra & Mahindra "We are discussing (with M&M) how to reposition the car and how to simplify the organisation and it looks like we need to be more nimble and little fast with the market," Renault Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Carlos Ghosn said. Source Renault not to end tie-up with Mahindra & Mahindra- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times
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CARDEEP Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NCR Posts: 3,341 Thanked: 2,723 Times	It seems that Renault have yet not finalised their strategy in India. They seems to be moving like the 5-years plan of the Indian Government, nothing concrete achieved & burden on students (trade analysts & enthusiasts) later. Same with Nissan. In my opinion, they need somebody better than Carlos Ghosn.
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CoolFire BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Tsr, Kerala Posts: 386 Thanked: 580 Times	Logan CS may still happen . Maybe Renault wanted to wash their hands off what could have been their ugliest car ever. Apart from that, for the time being, looks like M&M's car dreams have no much way forward. Last edited by CoolFire : 16th April 2010 at 17:39.
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mallumowgli Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palakkad/Coimbatore Posts: 1,229 Thanked: 1,105 Times	Renault-Nissan investment in Chennai Plant is too huge (Rs. 4000 Cr) for them to pack their bags and go just like that. I feel they are in for a long haul. But they seem to be making too many missteps - wrong product, unclear partner strategies, contradicting statements from top brass regarding future strategy (refer earlier posts from pacman2881 and sukiwa. Hope, for Indian Auto Sector's sake, they are clear about what they want to do ultimately
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mpksuhas Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: KA03/KL11 Posts: 4,149 Thanked: 8,408 Times View My Garage	Remember seeing an article in some news channel ( guess ndtv) sometime back on Renault's plan to launch a sedan model in India outside its partnership with M&M. So guess they will try out by their own, since it wont make any business sense exiting an emerging market even if you just selling couple of hundred cars a month.
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