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Originally Posted by YVES 1) ENCAP ratings have gone a sea change,
Couple of years ago those rated 4 stars are now capable of getting rated 5 stars due to changes done within Encap as they have changed certain parameters of rating.
2) So come what may security is a compromise which is a fact as far as Suzuki goes.
Various accidents in city in India involving Suzuki cars is a pointer.
3) I have seen a accident where Omni crashed into Indica , the Indica speed away in 10 mins , It took 3 hours to get the driver out of Omni
In general Suzuki in terms of Safety is notches lower to honda & Toyota forget the European cars. |
1) If your information is correct, then Suzuki Swift is a 5-star rating car!
I think they have included some changes in 2009 itself.
2) In point 1 you say that cars that are actually 4 star earlier are capable of getting 5 star rating. So how Suzuki cars are a compromise ?
Omni is a deathbox and we all know this, but newer cars from Suzuki are not a safety compromise.
If you feel that images are proof enough of car's structural integrity, have a look at this :
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...toughness.html
3) Omin is really not safe, it a very apparent thing. It sells due to utility + convenience of presonal mobility IMO. Not all can afford safe cars. At the end of the day, Omni cannot be termed safe.
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Originally Posted by samsan02 Dear aaggoswami,
4) What you said is mostly agreeable but dont justify the above statement (in italics) just for the sake of taking side of Maruti. You will look Stupid.
Having a left ORVM on an Alto is a luxury and India is different for that matter, and its a necessity in developed markets and not in india. And i wonder how much will it add to the overall cost. Or may be During sales The salesman will come running and say this " Sir We have a nice Diwali offer sir, we are giving free Left ORVM if you book by this date"
5) Verna, whats with verna its sure is a safety compromise when even in the top end you don't get Airbags with the price you pay. (That was when I last checked in Aug 2009) And FYI Verna is a Hyundai not Maruti, so don't just blindly support Maruti just for the sake of it or if you happen to own one. |
4) My point was, its matter of just cost.
5) Point is, if Maruti is not good as you have tried best to portray, others are not great as again you have tried to prove. So if you are happy to bring maruti into discussion, be kind enough to bring in other manufacturers also. Atleast be open to accept that its not only Maruti, but others are equally culprit as far as compromise goes.
The way you are posting here, I am still not able to get to your core intentions of starting this thread.
List down cars that you feel are not compromise.
And atleast maruti offers reliability and has confidence about its products. Cars that are called safe like Punto and Linea suffer from bad A.S & S ( before putting reply, search entire TBHP for such threads ), and Fiat is not even confident about their products. People have to rely on Tata A. S& S. which itself is not good in the first place.
List down your parameters of safety and list down the cars that you feel are safe. This will help this discussion a lot.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn aaggoswami, I think one point is the availablity of ABS/Airbags versions. Its hard enough taking delivery of regular swift/dzires. A colleague who wanted to order a Dzire ZDi ABS+ airbags ( he was a regular tbhp reader and was well aware of their benefits) was hit with a min. 9 month waiting period(after checking with the three dealerships in town - I know that there are some of you who can get hold of one sooner, but this is what the average Indian buyer has to put up with) . He had to compromise and go for a vanilla LDi version which he got in 2 months ( and this was with all the strings he could pull - and got a colour he did not want, and a trim level he did not want).Maruti has no issues putting abs/airbags on export spec models, and yet it give Indians the short end of the stick. |
I think the dealer is the culprit also. I agree that higher end variants are in demand and thanks to exports of A-star, the overall production of Swift Dzire suffers.