BS IV Norms Question

ACM · 1st December 2009, 11:07

Could someone post a govt, or published Doc regarding the rules for BS4, am sure older private vehicles can be reregistered in any state and city in India once they have been registered once in India irrespective of the emmision norms that they subscribe to - else what would happen to classic and vintage cars?

triedeverything · 6th January 2010, 09:42

Mahindra has made a claim to the first vehicle that meets BS4 emission norms - on the 2010 Scorpio. I was discussing this with a friend and he said that the fuel available in most bunks is not ready for BS4 vehicles. Thoughts?

blackasta · 6th January 2010, 12:28

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Originally Posted by triedeverything

Mahindra has made a claim to the first vehicle that meets BS4 emission norms - on the 2010 Scorpio. I was discussing this with a friend and he said that the fuel available in most bunks is not ready for BS4 vehicles. Thoughts?

Don't think thats entirely true - in hyundai i10 brochure it is mentioned that i10 1.2 kappa is BSIII compliant and BSIV and BSV ready - that does not make i10 BSV compliant, as long as it does not use BSV compliant fuel.

Trapezio · 6th January 2010, 12:53

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Originally Posted by blackasta

Don't think thats entirely true - in hyundai i10 brochure it is mentioned that i10 1.2 kappa is BSIII compliant and BSIV and BSV ready - that does not make i10 BSV compliant, as long as it does not use BSV compliant fuel.

Very true.

Mahindra 'played' a little with words there. Moreover the new Honda CR-V/Merc/BMW etc are BS4 compliant from day one (they do not have to change anything). They never claimed it because the fuel is simply not good enough for BS4.

sgiitk · 6th January 2010, 14:52

@Gansan: The Octane ratings in both BS-III and IV are the same, though some other parameters differ. 91RON Regular, 95RON Premium. This why IOC ic cleverly advertising XP as Petrol with Friction Busters and not Premium. Also, I hear that Speed97 is now off the market. Who will pay Rs.10 permium for an additional 2RON (which may not even be there given the refining tolerances)

@Blackasta: To claim BS-IV certification you need BS-IV fuel which is not yet available.

shreeps · 6th January 2010, 16:58

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Originally Posted by sgiitk

To claim BS-IV certification you need BS-IV fuel which is not yet available.

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Maruti claiming the SX4 as BS-IV certified (after the VVT relaunch)?

blackasta · 6th January 2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by shreeps

Correct me if I am wrong but isnt Maruti claiming the SX4 as BS-IV certified (after the VVT relaunch)?

How is certification possible without BS IV fuel?
For example, I claim and everybody knows that I am a great student and can pass board exams(certification) at ease - but in order to achieve that I need to wait for the board exams in march and have the question paper(BS4 fuel)!!

Mpower · 6th January 2010, 18:34

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Originally Posted by blackasta

How is certification possible without BS IV fuel?
For example, I claim and everybody knows that I am a great student and can pass board exams(certification) at ease - but in order to achieve that I need to wait for the board exams in march and have the question paper(BS4 fuel)!!

The cert is done is a lab environment with the appropriate fuel which is made available to companies. Naturally its done in advance. Nobody waits till April 2010 to check if their new engine designs work.

nsbhagwat · 18th January 2010, 13:50

In all the discussions, we are referring to only cars, but my thought is that BS4 will also be applicable for two wheelers, right or wrong?

Nikhil

sgiitk · 18th January 2010, 14:36

I do not think there is much tightening up as far a petrol engined vehicles go. Also, for fuels what we now get is a major tightening in the Sulphur content (esp. diesels) which results in far lower Particulate Emissions.

With BS-II going out all petrol with be 91RON with Premium at 95RON. So the so-called premium will now have to become proper premium (95RON instead of 93RON).

SchumiFan · 31st January 2010, 18:22

I have a doubt here. Hyundai i10's kappa engine is Euro 4 & 5 ready. But what about the iRDE currently doing duty in i10 and to an extent in the Santro Xing?

Will they not be available after BS IV norms have been implemented in those select cities? I find no word from Hyundai on it. Can someone let us have some information on it?

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ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,745 Thanked: 4,361 Times View My Garage	Could someone post a govt, or published Doc regarding the rules for BS4, am sure older private vehicles can be reregistered in any state and city in India once they have been registered once in India irrespective of the emmision norms that they subscribe to - else what would happen to classic and vintage cars?
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triedeverything BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 500 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	Mahindra has made a claim to the first vehicle that meets BS4 emission norms - on the 2010 Scorpio. I was discussing this with a friend and he said that the fuel available in most bunks is not ready for BS4 vehicles. Thoughts?
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6th January 2010, 14:52	#20
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	@Gansan: The Octane ratings in both BS-III and IV are the same, though some other parameters differ. 91RON Regular, 95RON Premium. This why IOC ic cleverly advertising XP as Petrol with Friction Busters and not Premium. Also, I hear that Speed97 is now off the market. Who will pay Rs.10 permium for an additional 2RON (which may not even be there given the refining tolerances) @Blackasta: To claim BS-IV certification you need BS-IV fuel which is not yet available.
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18th January 2010, 13:50	#24
nsbhagwat BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 415 Thanked: 271 Times View My Garage	BS 4 for two wheelers In all the discussions, we are referring to only cars, but my thought is that BS4 will also be applicable for two wheelers, right or wrong? Nikhil
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18th January 2010, 14:36	#25
sgiitk BANNED Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurugram Posts: 7,969 Thanked: 4,788 Times	I do not think there is much tightening up as far a petrol engined vehicles go. Also, for fuels what we now get is a major tightening in the Sulphur content (esp. diesels) which results in far lower Particulate Emissions. With BS-II going out all petrol with be 91RON with Premium at 95RON. So the so-called premium will now have to become proper premium (95RON instead of 93RON).
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31st January 2010, 18:22	#26
SchumiFan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,041 Thanked: 1,161 Times	I have a doubt here. Hyundai i10's kappa engine is Euro 4 & 5 ready. But what about the iRDE currently doing duty in i10 and to an extent in the Santro Xing? Will they not be available after BS IV norms have been implemented in those select cities? I find no word from Hyundai on it. Can someone let us have some information on it?
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